Obama's Executive Order on Gunsmiths

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Obama's Executive Order on Gunsmiths

Post by Happycamper » Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:08 pm

Well, as of 7/22 if you do any machining, drilling, or milling on a firearm you'll have to have ITAR registration. $2250 a year. Whoopee!

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Re: Obama's Executive Order on Gunsmiths

Post by SteveM » Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:15 pm

Can you post the link to the executive order?

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Re: Obama's Executive Order on Gunsmiths

Post by ctwo » Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:35 pm

It's fairly easy to find articles online, but I'm not seeing it here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... ive-orders
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Re: Obama's Executive Order on Gunsmiths

Post by SteveM » Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:35 pm

Actually, it may not be an executive order.

ITAR is International Traffic in Arms Regulations, so it may be a state department rule or it may just be the administration bowing to the will of unelected bureaucrats from tin-pot dictatorships at the UN.

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Re: Obama's Executive Order on Gunsmiths

Post by SteveM » Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:45 pm

Found it:

http://pmddtc.state.gov/compliance/Appl ... blish).pdf

Here's the applicable parts:

2. Registration Required – Manufacturing: In response to questions from persons engaged in the business of gunsmithing, DDTC has found in specific cases that ITAR registration is required because the following activities meet the ordinary, contemporary, common meaning of “manufacturing” and, therefore, constitute “manufacturing” for ITAR purposes:
a) Use of any special tooling or equipment upgrading in order to improve the capability of assembled or repaired firearms;
b) Modifications to a firearm that change round capacity;
c) The production of firearm parts (including, but not limited to, barrels, stocks, cylinders, breech mechanisms, triggers, silencers, or suppressors);
d) The systemized production of ammunition, including the automated loading or reloading of ammunition;
e) The machining or cutting of firearms, e.g., threading of muzzles or muzzle brake installation requiring machining, that results in an enhanced capability;
f) Rechambering firearms through machining, cutting, or drilling;
g) Chambering, cutting, or threading barrel blanks; and
h) Blueprinting firearms by machining the barrel.

"machining, cutting, or drilling" applies to rechambering.

"Use of any special tooling..." is certainly vague enough to snag unsuspecting people.

How about "The systemized production of ammunition". If you have a turret reloader, that's pretty systemized.

It does say:
"Persons who do not actually manufacture ITAR-controlled firearms ... need not register with DDTC – even if they have an FFL from ATF."
but all that has to happen is that they re-define "ITAR-controlled firearms" and it all goes out the window.

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Re: Obama's Executive Order on Gunsmiths

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Re: Obama's Executive Order on Gunsmiths

Post by SteveM » Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:45 am

Gotta love this part:

"For those who are confused by the guidance, DDTC offers the option of requesting an advisory opinion through the agency. The regulation providing for such opinions, however, states they “are not binding on the Department of State, and may not be used in future matters before the Department.”

You can ask for advice, but you can't use that advice to defend yourself.

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Re: Obama's Executive Order on Gunsmiths

Post by pacrat » Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:48 am

Not an actual EO, or even an EA. Just more of O-hole using his Administration lackeys to do his bidding of making the 2A as difficult as possible for law abiding Americans.

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Re: Obama's Executive Order on Gunsmiths

Post by Harold_V » Sun Sep 04, 2016 5:05 am

We have a strict policy in regards to political discussion on this board, so considering how easily this topic can spin out of control, no further comments are allowed.

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