I have a lot of 1/2" thick plate to weld up, the parts come with square edges so some form of edge preparation will be needed.
I was thinking that if two related parts were placed with the mating edge together, the joint could be gouged out in preparation for welding.
Can someone suggest a reference that tell how large a groove results from what sized carbon? I would be looking for a groove 3/16 to 1/4" deep and a bit wider.
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Arc Air Gouging
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Re: Arc Air Gouging
Commonly in plate fitups, small parts are ground and larger plates are edged with a machine that is set to take about 2/3 of the thickness by a cutter. ( or half and a flip for two side full pen). Heavy plates are torch trimmed, and scale ground to clean them. This prevents firescale from getting into the weld areas.
I think that gouging the plates will not save time, and actually make the cleaning of the weld area (grinding) more dificult and time consuming.
You answered your own question, as a straight gouge with 1/4 carbon on a good DC machine will give you just about a 1/4 inch plus a little. A little sweep, and you open a bit more. I use up to 3/8 carbons for demolition of things, where a torch is too brutal to save things.. As mentioned, consider a guide, and torch trimming the edges for what you need, especially on straight line edges. The secret is speed and good torch settings, for an even and clean cut. The scale should be loose and just about brush away. (very little grinding).
I think that gouging the plates will not save time, and actually make the cleaning of the weld area (grinding) more dificult and time consuming.
You answered your own question, as a straight gouge with 1/4 carbon on a good DC machine will give you just about a 1/4 inch plus a little. A little sweep, and you open a bit more. I use up to 3/8 carbons for demolition of things, where a torch is too brutal to save things.. As mentioned, consider a guide, and torch trimming the edges for what you need, especially on straight line edges. The secret is speed and good torch settings, for an even and clean cut. The scale should be loose and just about brush away. (very little grinding).
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Re: Arc Air Gouging
plasma or torch would be a better way to prep the metal if a posibility, air arc will leave a lot of carbon behind you will have to remove by grinding.
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If you want to use a gouged to prepare the plates you certainly could. It is noisy, dirty, has a tendency to deposit sparks where you don't want (down the back of your shirt), and did I mention noisy! You do see a u joint, which you would get from the gouger, used a lot in industry for prep on larger plates, read inches thick. In cases like those it is cheeper because less weld material has to be deposited. For 1/2" plate I agree with the previous posters a torch is much easier, quicker, and quieter. Use a piece of heavy flat bar as a straight edge and you will be set, make sure it is heavy enough to resist warping. I did find a picture of a jig to hold your torch head at a predetermined angle that may be handy to make that is below as well as a couple pictures of plate prep. If you need full penetration on 1/2" plate I wild set it up with a 60 degree included angle with a 1/8" gap and 1/8" root face and use a 1/8" welding rod. Preset your plates so they are not straight when tacked up as you weld the plates together they will pull together.
To answer your original question though, the groove will be slightly larger than your gouging rod. Depending how steady you are. I like running hot to gouge I find it works much better than cold. 280ish amps on 3/16" rod is what I do. I had a gouging job in the shop here a month ago and plyed around with air pressure from 50 - 100 psi and found that there is a big difference in performance as you go up in 10 pound increments up to 80 pounds 90 was still better but not as noticeable and 100 was slightly better again but even less noticeable so I used 80 psi for the rest of the job. If you do go with the u joint I would gap it as well at 1/8" and have a 1/8" root face there as well!
To answer your original question though, the groove will be slightly larger than your gouging rod. Depending how steady you are. I like running hot to gouge I find it works much better than cold. 280ish amps on 3/16" rod is what I do. I had a gouging job in the shop here a month ago and plyed around with air pressure from 50 - 100 psi and found that there is a big difference in performance as you go up in 10 pound increments up to 80 pounds 90 was still better but not as noticeable and 100 was slightly better again but even less noticeable so I used 80 psi for the rest of the job. If you do go with the u joint I would gap it as well at 1/8" and have a 1/8" root face there as well!
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Re: Arc Air Gouging
By Golly! 110% of what I tried to explain!
A pic is worth a thousand words, thanks for those.
A pic is worth a thousand words, thanks for those.
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Re: Arc Air Gouging
I found them on google!steamin10 wrote:By Golly! 110% of what I tried to explain!
A pic is worth a thousand words, thanks for those.