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Re: Fix my Generator

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:09 pm
by NP317
Living in Chain-Saw Territory here in northern Oregon, alcohol-free gas is available at multiple locations.
We have to pay ~ $3.50/gallon, but it's available...
~RN

Re: Fix my Generator

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:39 pm
by SteveHGraham
I never would have believed that a dry carb could get clogged, but I suppose that's what happened.

I know of a Sunoco that sells real gasoline. I guess I need to start buying my gas there.

Re: Fix my Generator

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:02 pm
by John Hasler
Every station around here has alcohol-free premium. I use premium in my old Farmalls because they need the higher octane, but I've seen no evidence that the alcohol does any harm. My chainsaw, lawnmower, and Ford 8N don't seem to care (the 8N will run on anything, though.)

Re: Fix my Generator

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:22 pm
by GlennW
Before you store it next time:

Drain the auto fuel, dump in a gallon of Avgas, run it for a couple of minutes, or of it has a fuel shut off, run it until it quits and then drain out the Avgas.

The next time you need it, dump in some auto gas and it will start right up.

Avgas doesn't eat things or form any type of varnish that plugs things up.

Re: Fix my Generator

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:30 pm
by BadDog
I was under the general impression that I could get 100LL at the local Deer Valley airport, but just called and no, they do not sell to the public. The fuel tanks/trucks are just for airport use. Lady I talked to confirmed that she knew of no options for ethanol free gas other than some of the very small regional airports operating well outside Phoenix. So even at 100LL prices, not an option here. We don't all work on an airport. :lol: :P

Too bad I'm not still flying. I could just go rent a ride and do a couple dozen fuel checks, problem solved. 8)

Re: Fix my Generator

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:25 am
by TomB
Here in VT I can get the lead free gas from one gas station chain (Stewarts), but I have found I can buy quart or gallon cans of lead free with 0, 40 or 50 mixed oil added at Lowes, Home Depot or the Huskavara(sic) dealer. The cans are stabilized so the engines all start after sitting in the shed throughout the winter (Nov to May and way below 0 F). The price for cans is high comparted to car gas but I don't like to work on small engines so when one does not start I have to take it to the shop and that tends to cost $100+. Avoiding that bill easily pays for the added cost of the cans.

Re: Fix my Generator

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:15 pm
by SteveHGraham
I really want to avoid paying $15 per gallon or whatever for canned gas, but this business with clogged carbs is annoying and expensive. Not sure what to do. I'm not a guy who cuts wood for two hours a year. I have a great deal of wood to clear out, and I would go through those little pre-mixed cans pretty fast.

I hope that if I start using real gas instead of government-boondoggle-vote-buying ethanol, my engines will quit acting up. I plan to visit Sunoco.

On another note, I noticed that the documentation for Sea Foam says it contains isopropanol and petroleum distillates. Wouldn't that be rubbing alcohol and mineral spirits or WD-40? Sea Foam isn't cheap. I think I paid nine bucks.

Re: Fix my Generator

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:39 pm
by BadDog
I was wrong about the availability of av-gas at the local airport, but as I recall, some of the performance arenas will have real gas more affordable than buying canned gas. There is a high performance (drag, etc) motorcycle shop downtown that lists real (high octane racing) gas without ethanol. And I'm told Thunderbird Raceway has it at or on track. But those are too far away (and not on any route I'm likely to take) for my modest small volume needs. I'm probably way ahead to buy "camp fuel" (Colman etc) in gallons rather than my current serial frustrations...

Re: Fix my Generator

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:47 pm
by BadDog
This has again piqued my interest, and I needed a brief break/distraction. And you comment about Sunoco caught my attention as one of the place "down town" (S Phoenix, I'm N Phoenix, nearly 30 minutes by freeway with NO traffic!) I was told had good fuel.

So I called them to see if it was true. And as it turns out, it IS, and they sell to the public. The fella on the phone was very friendly and said they had a range of non-ethanol fuel in various octanes available in both leaded and unleaded. But it's not going to be at local Jippy Mart prices, figure in a range close to double going rate depending on selection...

For those in Phoenix:
Sunoco Racing Fuels
Address: 2845 W Broadway Rd, Phoenix, AZ 85041
Phone: (602) 276-9250

It's also not too terribly far from a good friend I almost never visit since moving up here (see 30 minutes with no traffic), so maybe I'll head down there in the next week or two with a gallon gas can in tow...

Re: Fix my Generator

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:32 pm
by SteveHGraham
I don't know why the big Sunoco on the north end of Ocala sells real gas. It may be because this area is always jam-packed with running chainsaws and lawn equipment.

Re: Fix my Generator

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:38 pm
by GlennW
The Ethanol free gas still plugs up the idle jet leaving varnish through evaporation.

Been there, done that...

Re: Fix my Generator

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:04 pm
by SteveHGraham
In other news, it looks like Sea Foam may be a mix of isopropyl alcohol, naphtha, and refrigeration oil.