basic geometry of linkages explained to caveman

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basic geometry of linkages explained to caveman

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I am trying to design a simple peck drilling rig for my small lathe. It has been some time since geometry or trig, so things are rusted solid up there. Is there a tutorial online or elsewhere which will provide the basic principles of moving a piston forward with a lever system explained. I am having difficulties understanding the nonbinding linear motion and the linkages required to achieve this. I can simply grab some flat stock and start experimenting with different legnths and such, but this seems like a bad idea. what i am after is something that covers this with text and animations if possible.
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that shows the parts, and shows it does work, but it doesn't dwell on the way the parts interact to achieve the movement.
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On that setup, the fact that the shaft connects to the handle with a slot allows the freedom of movement to keep it from binding.

Other setups use a link that has two pivots to take up the movement that would cause binding.

Take a look at a lever collet closer. The handle mounts to a link and the link mounts to the headstock. If the handle mounted to the headstock, it would bind.

Here's a tailstock drill with such a setup.
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Here's another:
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The extra link provides the "slop" needed to eliminate the arc motion of the handle.

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i think i see some daylight on this now. basically more distance between those links means more distance of travel in a straight line, but this changes very little with small distances between the links. so should i intentionally put some extra slop in the pins to allow maximum lateral movement?
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I don't think "slop in the pins" is the way to go. two pivot points for the fulcrum linkage or maybe a slot in the hand lever will eliminate binding but extra play anywhere in the linkage isn't advisable.
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Steve has it right. The "slop" for which you are looking is provided by the motion of the link, not by any slop in the pivots.

Make yourself a cardboard model with push pins for pivots stick into a piece of wood and you will see the action.

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a wooden model is a great way to wrap the ole brain around something
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i suddenly feel small and insignificant, yet relish the idea of grasping something a bit better than before. I may try a model of some kind. I was trying to draw them as simple triangles with changing legs length as the pivot moves, but got very confused. geometry and trig were about 30+ years ago. i tend to overanalyze, but that will likely not change.
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As you know, a triangle is rigidly defined by the length of the 3 sides. In order to make the linkage moveable you have to either add a 4th side or provide a slot or other means of allowing the length of one side to change.

I think the rate of change of a side with a varying angle would be the 1st derivative of a sine or cosine function but I am not nearly smart enough to make any use of that bit of information!
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ouch! that last part give me a headache.
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Me too! :?

In case you can't tell, the little link added to the levers has to be free to pivot slightly at both ends for it to work.
thomas harris wrote:ouch! that last part give me a headache.
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