Brand Names, Model #'s, of known Lathe, Mill, Drill 3in1

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Re: Brand Names, Model #'s, of known Lathe, Mill, Drill 3in

Post by crackedmember » Sat May 14, 2011 5:36 am

Torch, Ken,

If you follow the link, you will see it is not just a Horizontal Mill. The headstock swivels by up to 90 degrees to enable Vertical Milling as well!! :roll:

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Re: Brand Names, Model #'s, of known Lathe, Mill, Drill 3in

Post by Torch » Sat May 14, 2011 6:03 am

Yes, I see that. Maybe it should be called a 4-in-1? (horizontal, vertical, drill, lathe)

But I also see the distance between centers is less than 1 foot, the maximum vertical travel of the headstock is slightly more than 1 foot and the quill extends slightly more than 2". Not much of a lathe, not much of a drill, but maybe a decent small mill? Sort of the reverse of the more common 3-in-1 design philosophy of adding a milling head to a lathe -- in this case they added some lathe functions to a mill.

If a person's primary focus is on milling and they only have occasional need to turn some small parts, this machine might be worth considering. The integral lathe chuck backplate on the quill might get in the way of some operations though.

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Re: Brand Names, Model #'s, of known Lathe, Mill, Drill 3in

Post by ken572 » Sat May 14, 2011 11:51 am

Something I missed, is that it is built to ISO 9001 standards. :wink:

Credit for Credit do.

(It should be a pretty tight and well built little machine.)

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Re: Brand Names, Model #'s, of known Lathe, Mill, Drill 3in

Post by juiceclone » Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:36 pm

Hi try "sumore tools" sp2304 and sp2306 good luck getting one into the US or Europe good qualiy for Chinese

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Re: Brand Names, Model #'s, of known Lathe, Mill, Drill 3in

Post by ken572 » Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:00 pm

juiceclone wrote:Hi try "sumore tools" sp2304 and sp2306 good luck getting one into the US or Europe good qualiy for Chinese
juiceclone,

You can get them here..

http://www.chinaqualitycrafts.com/buy-lathe_mill_combo/
and
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/51771 ... P2306.html

These are not new, they have been around for a few years,
under a few different brand/badge name's.

ALSO :!: :lol:

Hello :!: crackedmember and juiceclone :D :lol:

Welcome to The Home Machinist! 8)

As you have found out, we have members
that really enjoy helping each other, and
sharing there skill’s and or knowledge,as
well as there project’s, idea’s, and more.

In order for this to happen smoothly there
are a few things that are NEEDED:

1)Correct brand names of what ever you
are asking about.

2)Correct Serial numbers, Model numbers,
Date, and or Country of manufacturer,
Size’s, Colors, Clear Picture’s of the item,
and or it’s data plates, and anything else
you can supply for the members to work
with.

3)Do you already have,
Operator and Parts, Manual’s :?:

4) Making sure that you put your
WORLDLY LOCATION in your
PROFILE so it show’s up to the left
of all of your POST’S under your name.
VERY HELPFUL, to member’s trying
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Re: Brand Names, Model #'s, of known Lathe, Mill, Drill 3in

Post by juiceclone » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:56 pm

re:
http://www.chinaqualitycrafts.com/buy-lathe_mill_combo/
and
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/51771 ... P2306.html ...
both those sites are, I believe, a clearing house for Chinese products. They will lead you to Sumore site and in some cases assist a transaction for a price, however there is always a minimum quantity and it will be more than one.
I don't see how to refer to another post I made, so I'll quote it below

Hi New member just looking at how jobs can be done .
I looked for a 3in1 for quite a while as I had a HF one but no power feed, so no threading. In my research I saw that a lot of the ones available in the US "looked" alike. After some time, I was able to trace down the manufacturer in Shanghai who seems to be the source. "Sumore tools" What is important is that they make better versions of the machines offered by, for example, BusyBee, Bolton, Grizzley etc. but no one imports them into the US . I even tried to get Grizzley to get one for me to no avail. That said I decided to try to import the one I wanted myself. It took well over a year to get to me because the Mfg does not build in less than 5 pcs at a time. I was able to start a dialog with their online rep (named Kelley) and after MUCH communications was able to get her to commit to their adding 1 pc to the next production run and ship it to me. Six months later she informed me that one would be available and I jumped on it. Importing something on your own is an "interesting" project to say the least! You would have to have it sent to a port of entry for customs inspection and duty. I live near Miami, Fl. so that was ok, but probably NY. LA. Seattle and others would work and pick it up yourself or pay to have it shipped.. The cost of my "SP2304" from Sumore was $1600 delivered to Miami ! However the BS involving forms etc. "had" to be done by a "customs broker" They charged me another $600 to do the job, which included 20 min of paperwork and pay the import duty!! You might have more honest people available than I did. US customs would not tell me how much the duty paid was. I was able to discover from "other sources" that it was all of $27. !!! :twisted:
The machine itself has done everything I have asked of it. I was able use it to machine more change gears for the lathe and a micro feed for the mill. This is exactly the kind of thing I got it for, those times when you need something, it's not available (economically) and you know you could make it if you just had the tool for that. :mrgreen: If anyone needs to know more about the process, look it up and don't believe half of what you see ..According to US GOV it's easy. . :roll: Or email me juiceclone at comcast dot net and I'll help ....if I can. I'll try and include a pix below and you can see the differences in machine specs. This one has power feed apron AND cross, electronic variable speed on the lathe and mill separately , 9 speed quick change gearbox in addition to the changeable back gears, reversible motor and separate reversible feed, and digital readout on lathe speed and mill quill depth. :shock: As with any Chinese product you have to examine closely when it arrives, quality control. I had to replace 3 bolts that were crap, but hardware stores carry metric stuff now. It seems to be well made. I have since added very inexpensive digital readouts on the apron and cross feed ... Can't seem to get metric in my head, :oops: , and OC tool post..THAT is definitely worth the money.
Ok going to try to add a pix now :mrgreen:



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Re: Brand Names, Model #'s, of known Lathe, Mill, Drill 3in

Post by ken572 » Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:07 pm

juiceclone, :D

First of all try to slow yourself down so you can enjoy
this shopping venture. Write yourself a list of questions
down, so when you write too, and / or talk to the factory,
and / or a sale's rep at a dealer / supply house you can
tell them your wants, needs, and requirements. See if they
will send you a copy of the manual for the machine that you
are interested in. Make sure that you tell them that you
need the the delivery truck to have a lift on the back so
you can get it on the ground, unless you have a fork truck
of your own.
Go here:
http://www.chinaqualitycrafts.com/view- ... p2305.html
Fill out the EMAIL contact boxes, towards the bottom of the
page, and have them email all the closest dealers to your
home and call them and talk to them. (Before I Forget) :lol:
Contact Torch and see if he still has all his contact info from
when he custom ordered his machine. Look hard and get help
and guidance from everyone you can, and always take notes.

Now it's your turn to jump in and GET-HER-DONE :!: :wink: :D

Remember To UPDATE your PROFILE INFO :lol:

Ken. :)
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Re: Brand Names, Model #'s, of known Lathe, Mill, Drill 3in

Post by araspitfire » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:08 pm

I've just bought a Chinese 3in1. The brand is HBM, but the manufacturer is likely Weiss (another Dutch company), made in Nanging. The British sell it as Warco.
Just getting the shipping grease cleaned off of it. Not cut any metal yet.
As I've seen so little about these lathes on the internet, I will start a thread of my journey.

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Al...

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Re: Brand Names, Model #'s, of known Lathe, Mill, Drill 3in

Post by ken572 » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:49 pm

araspitfire wrote:I've just bought a Chinese 3in1. The brand is HBM, but the manufacturer is likely Weiss (another Dutch company), made in Nanging. The British sell it as Warco.
Just getting the shipping grease cleaned off of it. Not cut any metal yet.
As I've seen so little about these lathes on the internet, I will start a thread of my journey.

Image

Al...
AL :!: VERY NICE 3 in 1 INDEED.. :D

Keep us up to date on your progress. :wink:

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Re: Brand Names, Model #'s, of known Lathe, Mill, Drill 3in

Post by juiceclone » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:51 pm

I have had almost the exact same machine for two years now and it works quite well. Especially in comparison to the 3in1 units with the mill over the lathe spindle which was what I was using previously. They are apparently made by "Sumore Tools" in Shanghai. Their better models are not sold in the US and I had to import it directly from the manufacturer myself, but it was worth the trouble. Did not get much support after though. Had to machine my own gears for some Imperial thread sizes. Mine had no fine feed on the mill quill and had to make that too. Looks like yours does have it. I think you have a couple models up from mine. As anything Chinese it is well to take as much apart as you feel comfortable with and verify that it was assembled correctly. enjoy :P

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Re: Brand Names, Model #'s, of known Lathe, Mill, Drill 3in

Post by wolframore » Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:03 pm

Knuth DBF 400
manufactured in China under German supervision and quality control - discontinued

Specifications*
Swing over bed 420mm
Distance between centers 400mm.500mm.
Longitudinal Travel 410mm.510mm.
Cross Travel 80mm
Spindle Bore 20mm (0.787")
Spindle Taper M.T.3
Tail-stock barrel taper M.T.3
Range of spindle speed 7 speeds 160 – 1360 r.p.m
Thread that can be cut metric 18 steps 0.2 – 3mm
Imperial 27 steps 8 – 120 t.p.i
Amount of power feed 8 steps 0.050 – 0.175mm/r

Drilling and Milling
Max. drilling diameter 15mm
Max. milling diameter 12mm
Max. vertical milling cutter diameter 20mm
Max. vertical milling face diameter 63mm
Spindle Taper R8
Spindle Travel 80mm
Range of spindle speed 14 speeds 117 – 1300 r.p.m
Table size (LXW) 200X150mm

Others
Motor capacity 0.55kw
Voltage frequency 60Hz
Overall dimension (LxWxH) 970x580x890mm
Net Weight 155kg
Cheers!

Charlie

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Re: Brand Names, Model #'s, of known Lathe, Mill, Drill 3in

Post by wally318 » Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:14 pm

About half way up this thread someone posted a pic of a CX16 combination machine.
I did a bit of a search and couldn't com up with much. Have they ever been sold in
the US or europe?
Also was wondering if any of the older combination machines from Europe ever show
up or are owned by any members of the forum here?
I'm talking about machines like: Burger&Meyer(Astoba)
Labormill
Piho
Almqvist
Impetus/metalmaster
Murad Bormilathe
and a newer one that I just discovered by accident the
Syderic UM200 that I can't seem to find out anything about.

If any of the 3 in 1 crowd are interested I'd like to dicuss some of these machines and any others
that maybe a lot of us have never even heard of. For the sake of posterity or historical background
on the types of machines that we like to use or need to do our type of work. Or even for the sake
of enlightenment of what is out there. And maybe some would like/want a different/rare or unusual machine.

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