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Re: Layout dye

Post by SteveHGraham » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:00 pm

I like the contrast of a blue Sharpie, because metal is grey, not blue.
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Re: Layout dye

Post by tornitore45 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:43 pm

Has anyone else ever had a problem with spray cans leaking or exploding?
I was painting from a can of red enamel.
The nozzle plugged, but for an insane reason I thought it fizzled out so I poked a small hole on the top.
Gas gushed out, but not fast enough for my taste, so I pounded a bigger hole.
My entire shop looks like a murder scene.
Sometime intelligent people do indescribably stupid things.
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Re: Layout dye

Post by spro » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:03 pm

One area of my basement shop had similar treatment. I don't remember why that can of white paint was sitting there. I was actually cleaning and that can hit some object on the floor. It started spewing paint everywhere. Got white stripes across machine bases, tooling, etc.

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Re: Layout dye

Post by spro » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:12 pm

I regret my earlier post about blue dye. I've never used "dye" but Prussian Blue and Dykem. So the post was based on neither directly and falls into the category of rhetorical hyperbole.

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Re: Layout dye

Post by TimTheGrim » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:19 pm

When I worked for ASCO back in ‘85, our Tool Room Foreman came back from a meeting and immediately confiscated all 23 bottles of blue Dykem from each bench. He then distributed new unopened bottles in their place. The explanation was that a component in the old ingredients was now banned and this was for our safety. The new blue formula sucked and I’ve tended to prefer red ever since. Since then I have a stainless nut in my blue bottle and shake it before use. Red I don’t have to.
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Re: Layout dye

Post by johnfreese » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:57 pm

I had Dykem in cans with the brush attached to the screw top. Eventually the dye builds up on the threads and makes it hard to open and close and does not seal tight so you can't shake the can. I have spray cans of Dykem that spray everything around the part I am working on. Sometimes the nozzles plug. Both the brush cans and spray cans are a pain. Next purchase will be the roller pen type. I tried Sharpies and felt markers but they don't show a scribed line as will as Dykem.

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Re: Layout dye

Post by mcostello » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:09 pm

Just as an aside, the reason I went with red was because the shop I worked at only had blue. I used to do government jobs a lot and got tired of Everyone thinking I was working on Company parts and refusing to take lunch. Fat chance of that. They got used to noticing the red layout dye and left Me alone to proceed on with things. Which is how My small home based shop had it's beginnings.

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Re: Layout dye

Post by Harold_V » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:55 am

tornitore45 wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:43 pm
Has anyone else ever had a problem with spray cans leaking or exploding?
I was painting from a can of red enamel.
The nozzle plugged, but for an insane reason I thought it fizzled out so I poked a small hole on the top.
Gas gushed out, but not fast enough for my taste, so I pounded a bigger hole.
My entire shop looks like a murder scene.
Sometime intelligent people do indescribably stupid things.
Chuckle!!

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Re: Layout dye

Post by wlw-19958 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:05 pm

Hi There,
tornitore45 wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:43 pm
I was painting from a can of red enamel.
The nozzle plugged, but for an insane reason I thought it fizzled out so I poked a small hole on the top.
Gas gushed out, but not fast enough for my taste, so I pounded a bigger hole.
My entire shop looks like a murder scene.
Sometime intelligent people do indescribably stupid things.
Hah-Hah!

I did a similar thing. Back when I was young and more prone
to outbursts of frustration and anger, I was working on my car
and things weren't going well. I forget now what it was that
ticked me off so much but I swore and threw a screwdriver
across the garage and wouldn't you know, it hit a spray can
of green paint with the tip and pierced it. The can was on the
ledge of the garage window and it shot around the ledge, coating
the window and then down onto the floor making a mess. It
certainly distracted me and I had to laugh. I knew I couldn't
have done that if I tried but crazy things happen.

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Re: Layout dye

Post by Gary Armitstead » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:03 pm

During my 45+ years in the die sinking trade (made forging dies), I always used red. The shop provided the smaller cans with the built-in brush and also provided provided red and blue Dykem in 1 gallon jugs. It was always up to the preference of each die sinker to use what they liked. Because forging dies can take 4-8 weeks to machine (on average), red always seemed to be better for me and stayed nice and red thought the milling process (always used air on the cutter to remove chips and if drilling was involved, the red always stayed and no separation, can't say that with blue)......the sharp contrast between the steel and the the scribed line worked better for me with the shop lighting and lights on the hydrotels. I never shook either color (waste of time IMHO :))

I STILL use red in my home shop. And I much prefer the can rather than the spray (another waste of money :))
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Re: Layout dye

Post by Harold_V » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:14 pm

Gary Armitstead wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:03 pm
Because forging dies can take 4-8 weeks to machine (on average),
Must have been some huge dies. Is it possible you could share with us what they were typically used for?

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