3/4" Scale J1e

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Re: 3/4" Scale J1e

Post by Bill Shields » Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:51 pm

I spent a LOT of time in no man's....and found a friend who is a really good welder ..a true artist where I was at best a blacksmith
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Re: 3/4" Scale J1e

Post by JBodenmann » Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:09 pm

Hello My Friends
Even though It can be a challenge at times I enjoy welding. I grew up with an oxy acetylene set. My dear mom bought it for me when I was in the eighth grade. I built motorbikes and go carts with it. Like I have said before, I had some wonderful parents that always encouraged me. Too much fun. The first time I used a MIG welder I was forever changed. Man, I can make anything with one of these! I had one within a month. Then the TIG machine. Welding is cool! I pretty much have my dream shop now. The model shop, and next door the wood shop. Somebody up there likes me.
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Re: 3/4" Scale J1e

Post by makinsmoke » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:40 am

Geez Jack,
Not in a million years would I have thought of shooting the bottom of the sand dome with dividers like that.

What seems so every day for some is truly rocket science to others.

Thank you and the many others that document and explain.

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Re: 3/4" Scale J1e

Post by JBodenmann » Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:48 pm

Hello My Friends
Haven't done much on the Hudson lately. I did manage a start on the full width turret casing. This is going to be an interesting piece to make. They went through several different configurations during the life of The New York Central Hudsons. Some, like we have here were somewhat flat sided and topped. With short curved sections. From what I can tell 5344 come with the flatter version. Some Hudsons had completely curved turret casings with no flat areas at all. The radius of the curves varied, but no flat areas. So far all I have is a sheet metal pattern for the front. It still needs a bit of finessing with the drum sander to get a really good fit around the boiler jacket as you can see in the photo. Then it will be used as a pattern to lay out the brass one. This sheet metal pattern started out with card stock just to get the rough shape. And then that was used to lay out the sheet metal one we have here. In the past I have made these from #20 and #26 gauge steel and TIG welded them together. These were all 1-1/2" scale. On the little Hudson I'll be making it of brass. It will be mostly soft soldered together.
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Re: 3/4" Scale J1e

Post by Asteamhead » Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:19 am

Hello Jack,
Not so bad regarding that critical welding of that tiny part 8) !
A formed piece of copper or aluminium clamped to the backside of tose thin metal sheets will help a lot. Heat is taken of from the back side as well as burning (through) will be avoided :) . Please see photos. Thickness of the stainless sheet is 2 x 1 mm, diameter of the half round profile is 3 mm.
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A cab, welding the corner of the roof
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A cab, halfround profile welded on the roof sheet
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A cab, welding the roof by means of copper for cooling

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Re: 3/4" Scale J1e

Post by JBodenmann » Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:36 pm

Hello My Friends
Thanks Asteamhead for the tips concerning welding. Copper is a great material to back up welds and prevent burn through. Here are some snappies of progress on the turret casing. A form die was made to flange the front sheet. .020" brass was used and flanged over for something to join the side sheets to. 1/4" aluminum was used for the former. The brass had to be annealed once to get it to snuggle up to the die nicely. The top will be easy with it's hinged door that hinges upward. The sides are not so simple. There are hinged doors towards the front of the casing but towards the rear it dives in toward the boiler to allow room for the front cab doors which will hinge outwards. I have made these before and they are a bit of a brain teaser. They also did this several different ways over the years. There are drawings and photos of this detail but none of the photos and drawings that I have seen seem to jive. I hate it when that happens :lol: . I tend to go with the drawings as they represent something that actually existed. Drawings more than likely, but not necessarily so. Physics, and what they probably would have done will usually direct you in the right direction.
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Re: 3/4" Scale J1e

Post by JBodenmann » Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:27 am

Hello My Friends
Here is something you may find useful. Steam locomotives had a wide variety of pipe fittings on them and some were union ells. These can come in really handy, especially when there isn't much room to work with. They are easy to make up from commercially available bits like regular ells and unions. Here, an ell ell from Patrick at California Locomotive, and a Superscale union is being used. The top photo shows an ell stuck to a threaded mandrel in the lathe. I didn't get a photo, but it had the raised bit around the end parted off. Next we have a union on the same mandrel. It had most of the hex on the threaded part that the union nut fits to cut away. The bottom photo shows the cut down ell, and the cut down part of the union, along with the rest of the parts.
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Re: 3/4" Scale J1e

Post by JBodenmann » Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:49 am

Now here we have the ell sat on a fire brick and held with a frog. It has been fluxed and two tiny bits of silver solder have been placed on it. In the second photo you can see how much solder is used. Very little is needed. The only silver solder on hand is 1/16" dia. This is much too big so it is hammered flat to about 1/64" thick. Then it is snipped off and placed on the work piece. Always try to place the solder before applying heat. That way as soon as it comes up to the proper temperature the solder will melt and flow. If you heat the part and then go poking at it with the solder several things can happen that are not good. First you may overheat the part causing oxidization. Then the solder won't wet. You will probably use way too much solder, and you might not get the solder where you want it. So when you can, apply the solder before heating. In this application we have here it's the only way to get the results you want.
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Re: 3/4" Scale J1e

Post by JBodenmann » Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:03 pm

And here we have the results. Some pretty cool union ells. The Y fitting and the 45 degree union ell were made up. I have the Y fittings available as investment casings in three sizes, 3/16"- 1/4", and 5'/16". J. You can also make union tee's using this method. It's fun to make little baloney like this and stand back and see who notices it. The bottom photo is actually Jim's Berkshire. He provided all the drawing you could ever want for this engine. The piping drawings have been very useful. Quite often all there is available are some grainy old photos. Having the piping drawings makes it pretty easy to get things right. A union ell here, a pipe clamp there...Too much fun! As I have said before, a model is only as good as its weakest point.
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