C&O H8 Allegheny in 1.6” Scale

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C&O H8 Allegheny in 1.6” Scale

Post by RR Ty » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:47 pm

I have decided to go ahead and start the build log for my 1.6” scale C&O H8 project. The specific Allegheny I will be modelling is number 1625. Since I do not currently have any drawings other than that of the prototype, this build log will also give updates on the design and scaling process. It is likely that the tender will be built first as it will keep my hands busy while working through the engine.

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Re: C&O H8 Allegheny in 1.6” Scale

Post by AnthonyDuarte » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:34 pm

RR Ty,

You may already be aware, but the Norfolk Western Historical Society has approximately 1500 drawings for the Virginian Allegheny.

https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/listdoc ... =rs&id=901

Filter the results by drawings, and all the way at the bottom, there are cross sections and elevations for both locomotive and tender.
Scrolling through I noticed drawings for rods and valve gear, axles, trucks, drivers, locomotive bed sections, cylinders, boiler cross sections, and countless more. Should be enough there to get you most of the way.

I've had nothing but positive experiences ordering drawings from NWHS. When ordering digital copies, they show up in my email within a couple days.

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Re: C&O H8 Allegheny in 1.6” Scale

Post by Steamchris » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:18 am

Hey Guys,

great project RR Ty. I just agree Anthony, i bought all my drawings there for my J 611, fast delivery and good quality.

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Re: C&O H8 Allegheny in 1.6” Scale

Post by RR Ty » Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:24 pm

I was aware that they had some drawings. I did not know that it was to that extent. Thank You!

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Re: C&O H8 Allegheny in 1.6” Scale

Post by Largo » Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:54 pm

There are two live steam Alleghenys of which I am aware.

Al Clerici of Napa, CA built one in 1.5" scale back in the late 70s - there was an article about it in Live Steam around 1982 or so. He built it at a local college by enrolling in adult education classes so he could use their machine shop. If I remember correctly, his wife was working on a masters degree (or maybe a doctorate) at this same institution. It took him quite a few years to build and it is now owned and operated by the C&O Historical Society in Clifton Forge, VA.

The second is in 3/4" scale. Built and operated by Chuck Balmer, it is located in Dayton, OH. It also was profiled in a more recent article in Live Steam (Jan/Feb 2018).

Two books about the Allegheny have been published. The first, The Allegheny, Lima’s Finest (ISBN 978-0945434030, January 1, 1984), is out of print but is available if you look for it. The more recent book, Chesapeake & Ohio Allegheny 2-6-6-6: A Retrospective, is available from the C&O Historical Society (and maybe Amazon).

While the N&W society does have a lot of drawings, many of them are not necessary. Instead, I’d recommend you get the drawings offered by:

https://modelsteamengines.tripod.com/id31.html

There are three sets you want to buy:

The locomotive itself: https://modelsteamengines.tripod.com/dr ... -6-6-6.htm

The tender: https://modelsteamengines.tripod.com/dr ... tender.htm

And the buckeye trucks: https://modelsteamengines.tripod.com/dr ... uckeye.htm

These sets of drawings were originally offered by Truson Brugel. As I recall, his father worked at Lima and took a ton of drawings when the facility closed.

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Re: C&O H8 Allegheny in 1.6” Scale

Post by Steam Engine Dan » Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:43 am

Largo wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:54 pm
There are two live steam Alleghenys of which I am aware.

Al Clerici of Napa, CA built one in 1.5" scale back in the late 70s - there was an article about it in Live Steam around 1982 or so. He built it at a local college by enrolling in adult education classes so he could use their machine shop. If I remember correctly, his wife was working on a masters degree (or maybe a doctorate) at this same institution. It took him quite a few years to build and it is now owned and operated by the C&O Historical Society in Clifton Forge, VA.

The second is in 3/4" scale. Built and operated by Chuck Balmer, it is located in Dayton, OH. It also was profiled in a more recent article in Live Steam (Jan/Feb 2018).

Two books about the Allegheny have been published. The first, The Allegheny, Lima’s Finest (ISBN 978-0945434030, January 1, 1984), is out of print but is available if you look for it. The more recent book, Chesapeake & Ohio Allegheny 2-6-6-6: A Retrospective, is available from the C&O Historical Society (and maybe Amazon).

While the N&W society does have a lot of drawings, many of them are not necessary. Instead, I’d recommend you get the drawings offered by:

https://modelsteamengines.tripod.com/id31.html

There are three sets you want to buy:

The locomotive itself: https://modelsteamengines.tripod.com/dr ... -6-6-6.htm

The tender: https://modelsteamengines.tripod.com/dr ... tender.htm

And the buckeye trucks: https://modelsteamengines.tripod.com/dr ... uckeye.htm

These sets of drawings were originally offered by Truson Brugel. As I recall, his father worked at Lima and took a ton of drawings when the facility closed.
actually now there is a 3rd. this one was built in austrailia. and is beaut. check it out. and coal fired. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_iYhx_o1Wc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq3FUDBp-pI

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Re: C&O H8 Allegheny in 1.6” Scale

Post by Berkman » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:12 pm

is the Australian locomotive scratch built, or I wonder if they used some NKP berk castings, or maybe even made their own set of patterns. very impressive though! That would be a massive firebox to feed coal to and find holes in the fire, since the front of the firebox would be quite difficult to see.
I don't think any of the RG challengers/big boys have been coal fired?

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Re: C&O H8 Allegheny in 1.6” Scale

Post by Kevin S » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:19 pm

There is another one located in Willows Ca.
-Kevin S.

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Re: C&O H8 Allegheny in 1.6” Scale

Post by Berkman » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:23 pm

any photos of the willows, ca loco?

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Re: C&O H8 Allegheny in 1.6” Scale

Post by RR Ty » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:36 pm

I would also be interested in more info on the one in Willows, Ca. I’ve heard of it’s existence, but never seen pictures.

To touch on something that Berkman said previously, my H-8 will be propane fired. While I do enjoy coal, it would be a struggle to get enough in the firebox. I have worked on many industrial steam boilers, almost all of them being fired by natural gas or propane (sometimes both).

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Re: C&O H8 Allegheny in 1.6” Scale

Post by Mountaineer » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:14 pm

Pretty sure there was another 3/4” scale Allegheny near the Twin Cities. Was in an older Modeltec magazine.

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Re: C&O H8 Allegheny in 1.6” Scale

Post by Steam Engine Dan » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:17 pm

Berkman wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:12 pm
is the Australian locomotive scratch built, or I wonder if they used some NKP berk castings, or maybe even made their own set of patterns. very impressive though! That would be a massive firebox to feed coal to and find holes in the fire, since the front of the firebox would be quite difficult to see.
I don't think any of the RG challengers/big boys have been coal fired?
I believe the austrailian alleghany was completely scratchbuilt, ive talked to the person who took the video about it and I believe he said it was completely scratch built. as far as firing it on coal. with a 4 wheel or even six wheel trailing truck. the firebox's on articulated engines and other big locomotives in our scale are really not that big as you think. and if you are firing it on either large sized coal or pea sized which ever you prefer with a big enough shovel. you can get around with at least 2 scoops a lap, sometimes three. just one big shovel full to the left side and one to the right side of the firebox. your fire poker will tell you from experience. a lot of people seem to forget that, the poker is your guide if you can feel the fire good enough. you don't need to load it up with 5 or 6 scoops. you are choking it.

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