Looking for Harry Haas ATSF Northern design

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Re: Looking for Harry Haas ATSF Northern design

Post by SF2900 » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:21 pm

When I started my 2900 project many years ago it was going to be based on a Little Engines New Northern as I had no live steam and very little machining experience. Harry let me know in no uncertain terms that any engine made from that kit would NOT be a 2900 class locomotive! So after I talked Ed Yungling into helping me, I sold my Little Engines kit to Pamela and started over. There are original drawings for the 2900 that can be found - the Ca State RR museum and Roger Goldman being the 2 main sources that I have used. Ed takes these drawings and redraws them in BobCAD in the appropriate scale for our use in construction. The current build is totally from scratch and so far the only castings we have used are the drivers (modified using Eds patterns for his GS engines), spring end connectors (we made new molds and had them cast; not sure what they are really called) and Timken journal box lids (using Eds mold). You can check out here what we have accomplished so far- http://www.chaski.org/homemachinist/vie ... 45&t=89404
-Ward

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Re: Looking for Harry Haas ATSF Northern design

Post by Pontiacguy1 » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:46 pm

"The 2929 was built about 1990 by a guy who's last name was Stewart and lived in the St Louis area."

That wouldn't have been a guy named 'Starrett' would it? I've heard of a guy who lived in Missouri whose last name was Starrett who did work on steam locomotives for people. I don't know the man and never did meet him, but most of what I heard from others about his work was not kind. Of course, he may have just rubbed some people the wrong way, too.

Could this be the same guy? Just curious.

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Re: Looking for Harry Haas ATSF Northern design

Post by JKreider » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:51 pm

Pontiacguy 1:

You are right. His name was Starrett. The workmanship was very poor.

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Re: Looking for Harry Haas ATSF Northern design

Post by Soot n' Cinders » Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:04 pm

JKreider wrote:Pontiacguy 1:

You are right. His name was Starrett. The workmanship was very poor.
Rather ironic given the quality of tools of the same name.
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Re: Looking for Harry Haas ATSF Northern design

Post by LSGOD » Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:56 am

Harry Haas did use my GS drivers on his 2900's.

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Re: Looking for Harry Haas ATSF Northern design

Post by Hudson Honey » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:30 pm

My 3460 series Hudson started out life as basically an Alco design LE northern with one driver chopped out.....the Alco northern is drastically different than the "new" northern and considerably smaller. I have found it pretty easy to "fudge" many detail differences between the Alco and Baldwin designs. Once I'm finished anyone will be pretty hard pressed to see differences.

I went this route because everything is readily available and without question a proven stellar performer. Both the northern and Hudson are huge beasts. Paul Keiser's 9100 and 1690 prove that...I have run both pretty extensively.
Figured...go with what's easy to get....and works well.....
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Re: Looking for Harry Haas ATSF Northern design

Post by Rob Gardner » Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:37 pm

Jimmy Starrett is the gentleman who built the Jim Robison engine, apparently the 2929. He was from Joplin, MO as I recall. I met him around 1988 (I know it was before I graduated from HS in 1990) at the Lake Shore Live Steamers track in Kirtland, OH. He was working out of one of our member's shops to finish a 3-3/4" scale 2-6-2 and train of cars for an individual who wanted his own estate railroad in Waite Hills, about 10 minutes from the LSLS track. Jimmy was a very genuine guy, and a real pleasure to talk to and spend time with talking about steam and railroading in general. The 3-3/4" 2-6-2 is the only work of his that I have seen up close when it was owned by the gentleman who owns The Station in Columbus, OH. In my opinion, it was a pretty simple locomotive, largely fabricated, but definitely built to scale and has the right proportions. I believe that engine is now out in Salt Lake City, Utah area.

Jimmy also built a 15" gauge diesel switcher that we used at the Knoxville World Fair.

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Re: Looking for Harry Haas ATSF Northern design

Post by LivingLegend » Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:09 pm

As I recall, Harry used a trailing truck frame cast from the pattern made for Lew Soibelman's ATSF 2-10-4. I believe Jack Sessums made that pattern.

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Re: Looking for Harry Haas ATSF Northern design

Post by Hudson Honey » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:39 pm

There was a number of castings used on both Harrys northerns and lous texas.....this coming from Harry when I bought the tender tank sides for my Hudson.

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Re: Looking for Harry Haas ATSF Northern design

Post by FLSTEAM » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:11 pm

Hudson Honey

I have missed your Hudson progress posts. Are you still working on it?

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Re: Looking for Harry Haas ATSF Northern design

Post by Hudson Honey » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:23 am

Yes....just nothing to really post..just fiddlie nonsense. Piping....brackets...painting bits.

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Re: Looking for Harry Haas ATSF Northern design

Post by LSGOD » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:12 am

The drivers were from GS-4 patterns that I made.

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