Traditional Paint Schemes - Baldwin green and others
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Traditional Paint Schemes - Baldwin green and others
hello All,
8/20/21- Quick update: I changed the title of this thread to reflect placing this info in the reference forum. This thread contains historical paint formulas and related discussion for several different original paint colors used on various early day railroads, and my railway equipment builders. Feel free to add any additional discussion pertinent to paint colors or livery.
Here is the ongoing thread:
“Still looking for color code information on Baldwin Green, Pullman Green, and Northern Pacific green - all various shades of olive green paint used on boiler jackets for steam locomotives.
Anybody know if these shades of green are the same, or different? And if different, what would be a modern color code for having s some paint made up say at Sherwin Williams, or Benjiman Moore paints stores?
Baldwin Green apparently was thecolor Baldwin locomotive painted all their locomotives with, upon leaning the factory - even the timber company loco's. ( Except of course for special paint schemes specified by the customer)
I'd like to come up with a quart of Baldwin Green to try out - but need to know what saturation and hue it has in order for the paint store to make up some.
Thanks
Glenn Brooks
8/20/21- Quick update: I changed the title of this thread to reflect placing this info in the reference forum. This thread contains historical paint formulas and related discussion for several different original paint colors used on various early day railroads, and my railway equipment builders. Feel free to add any additional discussion pertinent to paint colors or livery.
Here is the ongoing thread:
“Still looking for color code information on Baldwin Green, Pullman Green, and Northern Pacific green - all various shades of olive green paint used on boiler jackets for steam locomotives.
Anybody know if these shades of green are the same, or different? And if different, what would be a modern color code for having s some paint made up say at Sherwin Williams, or Benjiman Moore paints stores?
Baldwin Green apparently was thecolor Baldwin locomotive painted all their locomotives with, upon leaning the factory - even the timber company loco's. ( Except of course for special paint schemes specified by the customer)
I'd like to come up with a quart of Baldwin Green to try out - but need to know what saturation and hue it has in order for the paint store to make up some.
Thanks
Glenn Brooks
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Ahaha, Retirement: the good life - drifting endlessly on a Sea of projects....
Re: Baldwin green paint scheme
Hi Glenn
You should contact Steamtown, there Baldwin # 26 is painted in the correct paint color, maybe that would be of help, Pat WLS.
You should contact Steamtown, there Baldwin # 26 is painted in the correct paint color, maybe that would be of help, Pat WLS.
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Re: Baldwin green paint scheme
Glenn,
I'll get you the Baldwin munsell number and the Dupont color code on Wednesday. I am sure we have the color codes for the other equipment as well.
I'll get you the Baldwin munsell number and the Dupont color code on Wednesday. I am sure we have the color codes for the other equipment as well.
Bruce Mowbray
Springville & Southern RR
TMB Manufacturing & Locomotive Works
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Re: Baldwin green paint scheme
Bruce, Thanks Much! Great looking loco!
Glenn
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Re: Baldwin green paint scheme
Bruce M. to the rescue - good for Glenn. The old story of 'mixing' paint is very true. I recall years ago needing about a pint of touch-up paint for some repairs on a piece of equipment (so happens it was a shade of green too - which drys to a differnt hue) and we chose to 'mix' it ourselves. We ended up with over a gallon of paint - but it matched
Pro mixing and proportions with the codes is absolutely necessary for correct - tried and true paint..... Far too many variables!
BC
Pro mixing and proportions with the codes is absolutely necessary for correct - tried and true paint..... Far too many variables!
BC
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Re: Baldwin green paint scheme
Pacific Narrow Gauge (http://www.pacificng.com/template.php) is home to Randy Hees of NSRM Boulder and Andrew Brandon (NCNG Museum). They have researched paint on artifacts across the country and have seen the Baldwin painting guides. There are many shades of "Baldwin Green" depending of the year of the painting. Google "Pacificng" plus your specific question and with some luck Andrew may have color chips or Munsell or Pantone numbers for you. Jim Wilke can also be found on the board (the guy that got NPS Golden Spike National Historic Site to paint the Jupiter blue...)
John
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Re: Baldwin green paint scheme
Thanks John, I used their web site contact form to leave them a message. Appreciate the tip!
Glenn
Glenn
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Re: Baldwin green paint scheme
Glenn,
I apologize for the delay. Our paint specialist took the holiday week off and my network connection to the paint info is down. I will get it for you as soon as either one is back on line. Stay tuned...
I apologize for the delay. Our paint specialist took the holiday week off and my network connection to the paint info is down. I will get it for you as soon as either one is back on line. Stay tuned...
Bruce Mowbray
Springville & Southern RR
TMB Manufacturing & Locomotive Works
Springville & Southern RR
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Re: Baldwin green paint scheme
Glenn
If you contact the people from Scalecoat you will find all the green variants you want. You can buy it in quarts. Go to your local hobby store and see if they have the green you are looking for. I recommend buying there thinner as well.
Scale Coat is top quality paint. I used the So call Brunswick Green AKA Dark Green Locomotive Enamel DGLE for short. It is a perfect PRR green.
Here is the link to Scalecoat https://www.minutemanscalemodels.com/pr ... /s222d.htm.
They are owned by Minuteman Scale Models.
Beleve me this is good paint. I would recommend that you stay away from automotive paints. They just don't have the railroad feel to them. It will look like you have an auto rather then a railroad car.
If you contact the people from Scalecoat you will find all the green variants you want. You can buy it in quarts. Go to your local hobby store and see if they have the green you are looking for. I recommend buying there thinner as well.
Scale Coat is top quality paint. I used the So call Brunswick Green AKA Dark Green Locomotive Enamel DGLE for short. It is a perfect PRR green.
Here is the link to Scalecoat https://www.minutemanscalemodels.com/pr ... /s222d.htm.
They are owned by Minuteman Scale Models.
Beleve me this is good paint. I would recommend that you stay away from automotive paints. They just don't have the railroad feel to them. It will look like you have an auto rather then a railroad car.
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Re: Baldwin green paint scheme
Thanks trainman, didn’t know about this vendor. I ordered a couple of oz bottles of several paint colors to see what they look like. First hand color chips painted right on mymboiler lagging. Can’t get any better than that. Only draw back, they want $75 per quart. A bit steep!
Glenn
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Motive power : 1902 A.S.Campbell 4-4-0 American - 12 5/8" gauge, 1955 Ottaway 4-4-0 American 12" gauge
Ahaha, Retirement: the good life - drifting endlessly on a Sea of projects....
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Re: Baldwin green paint scheme
It does not pay to be cheap with the paint . It is very difficult to repaint a locomotive. BTW Scalecoat is some what heat proof.It is GOOD STUFF and well worth the price. You won't use the whole quart. it is easily retouched do to the fine grain of this model paint. One thing is that you should primer the parts to be painted. I didn't and the paint is chipping in places. They claim you can apply it to bare metal no way prime it.
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Re: Baldwin green paint scheme
+1 on the primer! Good advice. What primer do you recommend that stands up to the heat, do you think?
Glenn
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Motive power : 1902 A.S.Campbell 4-4-0 American - 12 5/8" gauge, 1955 Ottaway 4-4-0 American 12" gauge
Ahaha, Retirement: the good life - drifting endlessly on a Sea of projects....
Motive power : 1902 A.S.Campbell 4-4-0 American - 12 5/8" gauge, 1955 Ottaway 4-4-0 American 12" gauge
Ahaha, Retirement: the good life - drifting endlessly on a Sea of projects....