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Re: A Bender for Arch Bars

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:29 am
by Brian Hilgert
That is a nice design! Sure beats the way I did the arch bars for my shay!

Thanks for sharing the drawings!

Re: A Bender for Arch Bars

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:49 am
by Greg_Lewis
A slight cut into the bar at the bend point with a hacksaw will insure that the bend happens at the exact spot you want, and will give a nice sharp bend. Such a cut is unlikely to compromise the strength of the bar considering the forces applied to the truck, but you can fill it in with silver solder, which is what I've done.

Re: A Bender for Arch Bars

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:33 am
by Soot n' Cinders
Brian Hilgert wrote:That is a nice design! Sure beats the way I did the arch bars for my shay!

Thanks for sharing the drawings!
I agree! The shop press bent the bars easily but some of mine got a little off so required some banging and prying to assemble. I’ll definitely give this idea a go when I start making rolling stock archbars.

Re: A Bender for Arch Bars

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:12 pm
by jeffsmith
You might think about adding a set screw on the die block. I have found that no matter how tight the fit between the two blocks the force of bending the arch bar can make it slide from its original position giving inconsistent bends.
Just a thought.

Jeff Smith

Re: A Bender for Arch Bars

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:07 pm
by BClemens
jeffsmith wrote:You might think about adding a set screw on the die block. I have found that no matter how tight the fit between the two blocks the force of bending the arch bar can make it slide from its original position giving inconsistent bends.
Just a thought.

Jeff Smith
Center the die block and bend two angles at the same time...

Re: A Bender for Arch Bars

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:51 pm
by Pipescs
You might think about adding a set screw on the die block. I have found that no matter how tight the fit between the two blocks the force of bending the arch bar can make it slide from its original position giving inconsistent bends.
Just a thought
I discovered this too. As you say when trying to bend the 1/4" x 5/8" bars it tends to move no matter how tight the bolts.

My thought is to cut a rabbit about .0625 deep for the die block to sit down into the plate giving it a stop to go against.

I will try it this weekend.

Re: A Bender for Arch Bars

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:34 am
by Pipescs
I am thinking along these lines
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Re: A Bender for Arch Bars

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:35 am
by BClemens
Charlie,
Since you have drilled the arch bar blank material for the bolster pedistals, use the holes on dowel pins or bolts through the clamp blocks to assure the bends are the same distance from each hole when you turn the blank over to do the other end. Add a hole through the anchor blocks and slide a dowel pin or bolt through them with the blank between them. You may need to relocate the outer bolt holding the bend block in its seat slot.
Down and dirty 'out of perspective' sketch:

Re: A Bender for Arch Bars

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:54 am
by BClemens
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Re: A Bender for Arch Bars

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:37 pm
by Pipescs
This is an interesting approach.

My drawings are a little misrepresenting as I am planning on using the fixtures to drill the holes after bending.

You method would definitely have merit.

I did this tonight before running off to church. it is a stop guide attempt. I also swung by the steel yard to get a piece heavy wall tubing to make a cheater bar for the bending arm.
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Out of curiosity. is your drawing in Solidworks?

Re: A Bender for Arch Bars

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:38 pm
by BClemens
Keycreator - it doesn't like being converted to a jpg. Stops are a good thing.

Re: A Bender for Arch Bars

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:54 am
by BClemens