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Post by FredR » Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:02 pm

Actually it is: http://www.narrowgaugeexchange.org/

But you will find that there are certain "requirements" that are bs. I was 'invited', went there once and never went back. I have another friend that went and there under an 'invite' and later received 1 or 2 emails giving him crap. So, just beware of what you get into.

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tomc wrote:Rich, It probably is at his Yahoo group site mentioned above. You should join up and harvest what he has posted in the files section.

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Them's the rules

Post by Loco112 » Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:39 pm

Actually it is: http://www.narrowgaugeexchange.org/

But you will find that there are certain "requirements" that are bs. I was 'invited', went there once and never went back. I have another friend that went and there under an 'invite' and later received 1 or 2 emails giving him crap. So, just beware of what you get into.

Fred

Its a group and there are a few rules that the members all follow, they can vote to change them or leave and join the Demos.
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Post by kovacjr » Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:04 pm

I'd love to build a Unitah 2-6-6-2 someday. I model in 20.3 or even narrower 13.7... 7/8" scale. Are the drawings from Coronado just elevation drawings or a complete set. My other issue is I have never build anything from full scale drawings yet and would be a large endevor.

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Post by LivingLegend » Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:10 pm

kovacjr wrote:I'd love to build a Unitah 2-6-6-2 someday.... Are the drawings from Coronado just elevation drawings or a complete set.
Elevation and section drawings.... No others.

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Post by Vance Nickerson » Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:47 pm

Holt Steamer are you the ACMOC member with the full size replica?
I am looking for a new project as I have several locos from 7 1/2'' gauge to 20'' gauge under my belt and a half or third scale Holt steamer would fit the bill for a real challenge?

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Has no clue.

Post by Pennsy fan » Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:24 am

You know for someone is always looking to Harvest information from here on this site, I find your comment of "a few rules" just crazy. Have you ever looked at what you "contribute to the forum". As for for me I have put lots of things done by me and and happy to have anyone "Harvest" any info I may have. THAT'S the point of a forum.

I also read Practical Machinist and found your post for all sorts on CNC this and CNC that. I see nobody replied, should make you think.

I think it's fine to cover your costs of prints you want sell to groups in the NG world. But you have to know people like yourself that just like "Mine" info on the basis of just liking to look, i.e. "Lurker"

I don't know I just dislike the attitude of " you need to this and that" just learn. I have given lots a way to people just help, and at a loss to me.

I am sure when to talked Matt S. from MGRR he talked to you with No rules.

We are here help and keep the hobby alive and well.

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old stuff

Post by SteveR » Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:24 pm

In your quest for old and rare stuff (which seems a bit off the topic of this board), how would anyone know if what they were getting wasn’t made recently in China? I suppose you could age date the paper using 13C, but there are lots of “old” fake books, art, etc floating around. Certificate of authenticity? With insurance?

In addition, if your print didn’t agree with an engine in a museum, which would be wrong?
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closed or EXCLUSIVE, and that must be bad, right?

Post by Loco112 » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:13 pm

Pennsy Fan you assume a lot about a lot of things.

You post a lot, or more accurately you chime in on a lot of others posts to spout your 2/100's a lot. I rarely see anyone respond stating that your posts are valuable but, that does not that mean that no one gets any value from your posts. (for the record I get nothing from your posts that helps my rivet counting area of the large scale hobby, so that makes us equal) but, I'm sure someone must get something out of your posts so keep on posting and fill up the server.

Try imagining things through a person eyes other than your own, and you might be able to clearly see many reasons why certain forums, including mine, do not have an open door policy. Neither does Harvard, are they a bunch of Nazi's? Neither does your State Colleges, are they the same. How about every other aspect of your life, is anyone always included in everything? No never. Not if the opening of the front door endangers the establishment, and the establishment has a right to protect its own survival. If you disagree with that you are a devout socialist and there is no country in the word for you but, this one is going in the direction so hang around and it might swing further your way.

The front door to your home is not open to the world, that makes you closed or EXCLUSIVE, and that must be bad, right?

Exclusivity is not bad thing when its your club, now is it?

I want to join that LALS but I don't want to pay any dues, I want you to comp them for me, like I do for my forum members. I want to do whatever I want all the time including sun bathing nude in the sunny areas but I really don't give a hoot about any stupid trains. I just want to use the facilities the way I want.

What, you have rules? Well what for, have you got some reason to hate nude sunbathers? What, you are a club EXCLUSIVE to livesteamers? That is the narrowest definition of a club I have ever heard of and should be illegal! You all must be a bunch of freedom hating Nazi's. What are rules doing in a livesteam club or a forum anyway? If I can not enter and do whatever I want, you must be unamerican.

I'm talking to more than just you Pennsy Fan.
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EBT 2-bay hoppers, Conoco #44 tank
DV (K&J) hopper
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Post by SteveR » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:28 am

Geez - calm down.

This is supposed to be a hobby - as in fun...
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it is fun most times

Post by Loco112 » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:26 am

Steve the more you try to accomplish the less energy you have for stupidity. Its fun when people don't have too much time on their hands for mud throwing.

I still need to answer your question;

The dilemma you posed; what to do if the original print does not match a detail of the loco. Well its an individual choice. I'd try to establish if the change was an engineering change/improvement and if it was I'd go with the change/improvement. If the change was for a make-shift repair, go back to the original design in the print.

Being true to the original design lets you try to feel what the prototype was actually like. Really large-scale is all about, realistic operation and the feel of the added; heft, momentum and inertia of the equipment. The most enjoyable aspect of being a "rivet counter" is that you get to get inside the head of the engineer that designed the equipment and he may have lived over 100+ years ago. To me that is exciting and really interesting and its only the big miniature trains that seem to offer me all of that in one package.
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Davenport 30 ton diesel (SV#101 / D&RGW#50)
C&S 1908 steel & 1905 wood: box, stock, flat, gon
D&RGW wooden freight cars, long & short cabeese
EBT 2-bay hoppers, Conoco #44 tank
DV (K&J) hopper
8"n3 - 3-footers, 8" scale, 24" gauge

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Re: it is fun most times

Post by Doug_Edwards » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:44 pm

Loco112 wrote:
The dilemma you posed; what to do if the original print does not match a detail of the loco. Well its an individual choice. I'd try to establish if the change was an engineering change/improvement and if it was I'd go with the change/improvement. If the change was for a make-shift repair, go back to the original design in the print.
A friend of mine was building a model of the Southern Ps4 pacific in #1 gauge, and asked Bill Purdy whether he should build it as built or with the mods the Southern made over the course of the life of the class. Bill was emphatic to build with the mods, as he said a much better loco after the mods than when the Southern got it in the first place.
Loco112 wrote: Being true to the original design lets you try to feel what the prototype was actually like. Really large-scale is all about, realistic operation and the feel of the added; heft, momentum and inertia of the equipment. The most enjoyable aspect of being a "rivet counter" is that you get to get inside the head of the engineer that designed the equipment and he may have lived over 100+ years ago. To me that is exciting and really interesting and its only the big miniature trains that seem to offer me all of that in one package.
This historical aspect is one I have greatly enjoyed in working on the models of the Climax and Willamette locomotives. I have enjoyed studying the progression of the designs and noteing the changes over the course of the manufacture. Some changes are obvious as to the reason, others make you scratch your head. Machining scale minature castings has given me a glimpse into what the firms went through to produce their product, and often a window into the personality of the firm itself. This close study and "rivit counting" of the prototype has added a richness to the journey of building a model that I am glad I have the opportunity to experience.

Regards,

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Re: WABCO 9-1/2" SINGLE STEAM DRIVEN AIR PUMP "Original Builders Drawings&qu

Post by RICHK » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:28 pm

Hello Loco112,
I came across your request for a group of "investors " interested in buying a set of drawings for this appliance.
This was in 2007, granted some time ago.
Still I am wondering what the status of this project is. I would very much like to have a set of drawings for this pump in order to have a truly definitive documentation beyond the assembly drawings I have found so far.
So please let me know,
Rich

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