Steam Tractor and Model Engines
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Steam Tractor and Model Engines
Would like some help on particularities of these model engines and steam tractors. They were hand-tooled and all work. Please note 3 of them are gas engines. Also looking for input on valuations. Any help is appreciated.
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watch e-bay and see what these are going for. I see most of these types show up from time to time.
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Toy and fine machined pieces go from $10 to literally thousands. It depends on fit, finish and rarety. Start with the casting suppliers like Stuart models,PMI, and the rest for raw casting values. Then it is nosing around on engine sites, and fleabay (the lowest value I think), and look for similar engines. It is like buying a fine wine from a catalogue, what someone else thinks may or may not apply. So with looking around you will develope a sense of value and importance, that may work for you. Beauty is in the eye of the looker, so keep a tight fist, and get your values right.
Big Dave, former Millwright, Electrician, Environmental conditioning, and back yard Fixxit guy. Now retired, persuing boats, trains, and broken relics.
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We have enough youth, how about a fountain of Smart. My computer beat me at chess, but not kickboxing
It is not getting caught in the rain, its learning to dance in it. People saying good morning, should have to prove it.
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Big Dave is right
The blue engine appears to be a Stuart D10. New in the box kits from England are around 700 pounds and assembled around 1800 dollars.
But two years ago I bought one for the asking price of 150.00 finished.
Its all about what the seller will accept verses what the buyer will pay. One other item that will effect price is if they are being sold as a collection that someone made or if they are parted out.
A friends collection of nine ship models was appraised by the Smithsonian Institute back about twenty five years ago. One partictular model was individually appraised at 250.000.00 if the family would break up the collection. The appraiser told them that their requirement to keep them as a collection would lower the total value to less than 200,000.00 as buyers are rare when you get into the higher numbers.
Good luck with it. It is a nice collection to say the least.
Charlie
The blue engine appears to be a Stuart D10. New in the box kits from England are around 700 pounds and assembled around 1800 dollars.
But two years ago I bought one for the asking price of 150.00 finished.
Its all about what the seller will accept verses what the buyer will pay. One other item that will effect price is if they are being sold as a collection that someone made or if they are parted out.
A friends collection of nine ship models was appraised by the Smithsonian Institute back about twenty five years ago. One partictular model was individually appraised at 250.000.00 if the family would break up the collection. The appraiser told them that their requirement to keep them as a collection would lower the total value to less than 200,000.00 as buyers are rare when you get into the higher numbers.
Good luck with it. It is a nice collection to say the least.
Charlie
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Scratch Built 3 3/4 scale 0-4-4 Forney
Little Engines American
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This is a hobby chat Room---- NOT a business forum. Please if all you want is a valuation GO to a professional, perhaps an auctioneer and leave us to discuss things that matter to us. regards David Powell.
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David:
Be Nice.
It's the mans first post and you jump down his throat like there is no tomorrow. I can understand his posting, he has this stuff and has no idea of its worth so he goes to the forum for advice on value. Lets help him out, not jump down his throat.
Bill
Be Nice.
It's the mans first post and you jump down his throat like there is no tomorrow. I can understand his posting, he has this stuff and has no idea of its worth so he goes to the forum for advice on value. Lets help him out, not jump down his throat.
Bill
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No NO NO This is a hobby. This forum is where we can talk about our hobby. If a poster was asking how to run models, or even had so little knowledge that he or she was asking what they were I would be the first to offer help. The hobby ( I only have the one)costs me a lot of money, and a lot of time. I have helped a lot of folk, been the recipient of much kindness and help and had a hell of a lot of fun with kindred spirits. However, if someone, entirely unknown to me were to arrive on my doorstep with the models shown in the photos and ask for a valuation I would simply say' My shop rate is $45 per hour, let me research the values and give you an estimate" I have actually estimated values and suggested prices and appropriate courses of action for friends and for the families of deceased friends. I do this entirely free of charge because they are friends or are relatives of deceased friends. On the other hand I have had quite a number of entirely new visitors who have asked for help with building, repairing or running models and I am proud to say none have gone away without some help, even if only verbal advice. As a few examples,of the engines running on the high line today at the club I helped one fellow choose what engine to buy( I got to drive his Volvo sports car for an hour or two when we went on the adventure and have had lots of fun teaching him how to run his model,) I retyred another loco,( the owner helps me with some lifting and carrying sometimes,) I rebored the cylinders and replaced the Piston valves of another engine, I think I asked $ 50 to buy some bronze for the job.( I get frequent Tim Horton.s coffee and lots of smiles from the elderly owner.) I will happily help people who are GENUINELY involved in our hobby without thought of or concern for recompense. I certainly will not use my ability and knowledge to help a stranger make a buck out of someone else's hobby achievements Those in it for gain can pay the rate I charge commercial customers. Regards David Powell.
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If you don't want to answer questions from someone then don't. Why waste your time? Ignore the thread and allow any and all that want to answer questions to do so. Why discourage others from answering questions and why scold those that do?
Sorry I can't help with the valuation on any of the above pieces.
Sorry I can't help with the valuation on any of the above pieces.
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As a moderator, I have no qualms with the individual requesting help from readers. Those who are willing will provide what they can. Those who prefer to remain silent are certainly welcome to do so. None of us are under any obligation to provide anything to anyone in the way of guidance and instruction. Some of us do so because it's our way of paying back the kindness shown us by strangers, or those who were instrumental in our learning. My personal debt is huge----I'm not sure I can provide enough guidance to repay what I learned at the expense of others.
In regards to this gentleman, we have no idea what the future holds for him, and the board. He may become one of our most dedicated readers, with a keen interest in building and running models. Lets not discourage him.
Harold
In regards to this gentleman, we have no idea what the future holds for him, and the board. He may become one of our most dedicated readers, with a keen interest in building and running models. Lets not discourage him.
Harold
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Buckeye, the traction engine could be a 'Minnie' but without knowing the scale it's hard to give even a rough valuation. Run a ruler over it - length, width & height to give us an idea of scale. Glad to help. Ray.
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Sorry to create such a commotion. Actually, I am attempting to help the widow of the man that tooled these engines liquidate them. She is down-sizing again as her years are progressing. She is an old friend of my wife and I. Her deceased husband was also a friend, formerly head of Cincinnati Milicron, Europe. Even though this is not my hobby, I do find it very interesting, fascinating even! I just don't possess the skill or patience. I do however possess a wealth of knowledge and expertise in running businesses, especially gas stations of which I am always willing to help others in any way I can. I definitely appreciate all of you who have offered your expertise regarding my post.
I am not only seeking valuations, but would like to know what parts ("industry lingo") these models consist of. I know the tractor is an English tractor. There is a ship engine among the steam; mill engines, centrifugal engines, a flame eater. I'm uncertain about the others.
Steam tractor dimensions: 18" length, 6 1/2" front wheel width, 8 1/4" rear wheel width, 9 1/2" height, 4" rear body wdth, and 2 3/4" front body width/diameter.
I am not only seeking valuations, but would like to know what parts ("industry lingo") these models consist of. I know the tractor is an English tractor. There is a ship engine among the steam; mill engines, centrifugal engines, a flame eater. I'm uncertain about the others.
Steam tractor dimensions: 18" length, 6 1/2" front wheel width, 8 1/4" rear wheel width, 9 1/2" height, 4" rear body wdth, and 2 3/4" front body width/diameter.
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Buckeye, I've checked the dimensions, I think it is a 1" scale 'Minnie' as described in the Model Engineer in 1969/70. Value wise - hard to say but a "ballpark" figure would be $2k. Have a look on Station Road Steam - the archive (UK) or Discover Live Steam - stuff you missed (US) for previously sold similar items. DLS is a good place to advertise - the non railroad steam section. I sold a 7 1/2"g loco within 2 hours of the ad being posted. It is always difficult to sell a deceased relative/friend's treasured possessions - particularly when you are not involved with the hobby. Hope this helps. Regards Ray.