Engine bed (GSC)

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Engine bed (GSC)

Post by Steamchris » Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:24 am

Hi steamer,


for my current project im looking for pictures of GSC engine beds.
Specialy im looking for the GSC engine bed of the J's N&W.
A few month ago i bought the enginen bed drawings by the NWHS.
The drawings are ver good, but for a better understanding i would like to have
a few pictures only of the engine bed, didnt found something on NWHS.
Mayby you guys can help me ....??

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Re: Engine bed (GSC)

Post by hudson » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:03 pm

Hi Chris,


A partial reply: Please download

http://www.lals.org/documents/booster/B ... 1_lals.pdf

and read the story of

Jim Kreider’s Berkshire Memoirs

and see how he solved the problem of simulating locomotive beds.

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Post by Steamchris » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:18 pm

Hey Roland,

thanks for your answer, i watched your thread times before,
very good stuff, for sure. My problem is that i need the J frame.
Any picture of that?Could it be possible that these Cyclopedia
has any pictures of the J engine bed?


Thanks and all the best chris
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Post by JKreider » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:19 pm

Gee, I may have to continue writing these articles. I didn't think anyone was reading them.

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Re: Engine bed (GSC)

Post by LivingLegend » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:26 pm

Suggest you get back in contact with the NWHS. Most major U.S. railroads had photos taken of their locos under construction. Possibly the NWHS will have a photo of the engine bed in their archives.

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Post by LivingLegend » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:31 pm

BTW....

Engine bed frames are all pretty much the same in overall design. Some may have major design addditions/changes, tho. Example: The UP's FEF 2 & 3 engine beds had integral cast air reservoirs inside the frame.

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Post by kenrinc » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:49 pm

Harold, looks like you've got a double post here. Might want to merge them if it's possible.

Jim Krieder has posted info on the berk engine bed previously and I think Chris has seen that post.

Chris, I'm assuming you've seen the ASME pdf? It doesn't have what you need but is useful for other things. Just a well done pamphlet. If you haven't seen it before it's here:

https://www.asme.org/getmedia/1b51cf60- ... omoti.aspx

I was going to say (after reading LL's comments) I'm surprised there are no build photos in the N&W archives. The UP FEF class beds look really similar. I know what your looking for but haven't seen any pics specific to the J class. Personally, I like the way Krieder approached this especially the 1.5/1.6 issue.

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Re: Engine bed (GSC)

Post by Mountaineer » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:58 pm

Nice article. Especially enjoy discussions of why a person chose one method vs another. Early stage construction pics are nice too!

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Re: Engine bed (GSC)

Post by Steamchris » Tue Nov 05, 2013 4:59 pm

Hey Jim,

come on, dont bake such small cakes.
This article is great even i havent read it completly,
i need to translate a few words so it will take a wile. :D
Are there more articles?



Here is a shot of the first work on the "J" engine Bed- 5"gauge.
Only the thick was milled from 20mm down to 18mm, for sure from both side
because of the forces, coming in during the producing process.
no problems after the mill, both sides are straight, next step, feed the mill and let it run.

All the best Chris
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Both sides J #611 frame
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Re: Engine bed (GSC)

Post by Asteamhead » Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:21 pm

Hello steamchris,

Maybe I found a photo of the J class GSC loco bed in Locomotive Cyclopedia issue 1947 on page 8-608.
It's not mentioned to be part of the J explecitely but construction which includes air reservoir and brackets fo two front CCompound air pumps as time of the puplication make it likely to me.
Please go on with your project and let's know when you managed the next steps!

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GSC locomotive bed, most likely of the N&W J class
Taken from Locomotive Cyclopedia 47, page 8-608

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Re: Engine bed (GSC)

Post by Steamchris » Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:29 pm

Hi Guys,


yes i´ve read J.Kreiders post of that awesome Berkshire, a great Lady!!!
What i would do with the GSC Pics is,train an easier understanding of the really good
but really complex NWHS engine bed drawing. Next part will be creating CAD Datas
and feed the CNC-mill. To create this i would like to have one of those pics.
One of the cyclopedia-pics shows a frame that comes really close to the J beds,
the big Airtank and the points on that the two Pumps will sit, looking similar.
I will have a second look on the NWHS archiv, mayby i was searching again for wrong words.
That happend the last time as i searched for the engine bed drawings, my mistake was that i searched
for "frame", i thought i found all the frames of the NW but no engine bed ,that i searched for.
At this time you guys helped me out!!! Like other times before, thanks for that!!!

@ Asteamhead

Service you can count on , the Norfolk and Western and Asteamhead.
Thank you :idea: , Ich Danke Dir!!!

All the best Chris
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