NYC Hudson Major Appliance Manufacturer's
NYC Hudson Major Appliance Manufacturer's
As there are such knowledgeable persons here, again I am going to pick brains as much as possible. This time it is on NYC Hudson major appliance manufacturers/models. Primarily interested in the J1 series but if you have information on J3 throw it in as well. This is what I know or think I know:
Booster - Franklin Type C-2 double acting with internal booster exhaust (J1a-b),
Feed water Heater - Elesco (model?) on J1a -also on some J1b's, remaining J1b's Coffin (model?),
Power Reverse - Precision?,
Whistle - six chime on passenger locos, five chime on freight - Nathan?,
Drop Coupler - Standard Type E,
Headlight - Sunbeam (J1a-b). Pyle National on later series?,
Bell - size and manufacturer? Pierce automatic bell ringer chain operated,
Smoke box door hinges - Okadee?,
Lifting Injector - Nathan Simplex - Thank you Living Legend,
Lubricator - Nathan D-7? (or also Detroit)?,
Air Pumps - Westinghouse 8-1/2" Duplex steam operated cross compound? Single air pump located on RHS pilot deck with ELesco feed water heaters (feed water heater pump located on LHS). Double cross compound air pumps, RHS, LHS on pilot deck with Coffin feed water heaters.,
Low pressure feed water pumps from tender on later J1's- Make, model?
High pressure boiler feed water pump (after feed water heater)?,
Boiler check valves?,
Boiler safety valves?,
Turbogenerator - Pyle National - model?,
Automatic Stoker - Duplex Type D-3 Standard Stoker on early J1's, BK Type Standard Stoker on later J1's,
Coal Pusher -?,
Fire door - Franklin #8 Butterfly?,
Brake Cylinders on engine and tender - Type, make?,
Marker lights -?,
Low water level alarm - Barco?,
Automatic Train Control Box - make, location, size?,
Superheaters - Type E,
Loco valve pilot - Make?,
Throttle - Make, model, multiple poppet valve?,
Thermic Syphons - Make, Type? (not on original J1a-b's) added later when engine re-shopped.
If I missed something, throw it in!
Booster - Franklin Type C-2 double acting with internal booster exhaust (J1a-b),
Feed water Heater - Elesco (model?) on J1a -also on some J1b's, remaining J1b's Coffin (model?),
Power Reverse - Precision?,
Whistle - six chime on passenger locos, five chime on freight - Nathan?,
Drop Coupler - Standard Type E,
Headlight - Sunbeam (J1a-b). Pyle National on later series?,
Bell - size and manufacturer? Pierce automatic bell ringer chain operated,
Smoke box door hinges - Okadee?,
Lifting Injector - Nathan Simplex - Thank you Living Legend,
Lubricator - Nathan D-7? (or also Detroit)?,
Air Pumps - Westinghouse 8-1/2" Duplex steam operated cross compound? Single air pump located on RHS pilot deck with ELesco feed water heaters (feed water heater pump located on LHS). Double cross compound air pumps, RHS, LHS on pilot deck with Coffin feed water heaters.,
Low pressure feed water pumps from tender on later J1's- Make, model?
High pressure boiler feed water pump (after feed water heater)?,
Boiler check valves?,
Boiler safety valves?,
Turbogenerator - Pyle National - model?,
Automatic Stoker - Duplex Type D-3 Standard Stoker on early J1's, BK Type Standard Stoker on later J1's,
Coal Pusher -?,
Fire door - Franklin #8 Butterfly?,
Brake Cylinders on engine and tender - Type, make?,
Marker lights -?,
Low water level alarm - Barco?,
Automatic Train Control Box - make, location, size?,
Superheaters - Type E,
Loco valve pilot - Make?,
Throttle - Make, model, multiple poppet valve?,
Thermic Syphons - Make, Type? (not on original J1a-b's) added later when engine re-shopped.
If I missed something, throw it in!
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I don't have any referance sources handy at the moment to check out/verify one or two of my answers. But off the top of my head, the J1/J3's used.....
If am in error on any of the above, reply and correct.
EDITED - 05/02/2009 @1702 hrs CDT..... Corrected Boo-Boo.
LL
J3's used Worthington feedwater heaters.... Some J1's had their Elesco heaters replaced by Worthingtons. NYC didn't use Coffins (just the BA) on their Hudsons as I recall.Feed water Heater - Elesco (model?) on J1a -also on some J1b's, remaining J1b's Coffin (model?)
Franklin F1 "Precision" screw reverse on the J1's. Franklin F2's on the J3's. As delivered from ALCO, the J3's reverse was mounted inside of the frame.... The J'3's reverse was later relocated to under the running boardPower Reverse - Precision?
OkadeeSmoke box door hinges - Okadee?,
NathanLubricator - Nathan D-7? (or also Detroit)?
As I recall, all of the brake equipment was supplied by Westinghouse. On the J3 (and J1), two air pumps were mounted on the front footplate. Cross compound pumps.... don't remember if the pump size was 8-1/2x120 or 8-1/2x150.Air Pumps - Westinghouse 8-1/2" Duplex steam operated cross compound? Single air pump located on RHS pilot deck with ELesco feed water heaters (feed water heater pump located on LHS). Double cross compound air pumps, RHS, LHS on pilot deck with Coffin feed water heaters.
Brake Cylinders on engine and tender - Type, make?
On the J3's (and J1's with the Elesco's replaced with Worthington FWH) Worthington hot water pump. Don't remember if they also had Worthington's turbo cold waterpump or not. Not sure what make/model feed pump used on the J1's with Elesco FWH.Low pressure feed water pumps from tender on later J1's- Make, model?
High pressure boiler feed water pump (after feed water heater)?
Think they were Nathan's mounted horizontaly. Had water cut off valveBoiler check valves?
Pretty sure they were Manning-Maxwell-Moore "Consolidated"Boiler safety valves?
Pyle National MO-6 on the J3's{i]Turbogenerator - Pyle National - model?[/i]
Not aware of the J1 or J3 ever having coal pushersCoal Pusher -?
Franklin. Not sure what model no. Most likely the 16"x20" size.Fire door - Franklin #8 Butterfly?
Pyle NationalMarker lights -?
BarcoLow water level alarm - Barco?
American multiple poppet valve (smokebox) throttleThrottle - Make, model, multiple poppet valve?
If am in error on any of the above, reply and correct.
EDITED - 05/02/2009 @1702 hrs CDT..... Corrected Boo-Boo.
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Thank you Robert and LivingLegend for the information answering my questions.
I have been told that most of the information and descriptive details on these locomotive appliances would have been contained in Railway Mechanical Engineer (RME) articles of the period. I have checked here with the Toronto Public Libraries and they do not have this publication. I am just wondering if anything exists anywhere on the web, in a University Library/Historical Society or ..?
I have checked with the NYCSHS and they do not have any RME.
I have been told that most of the information and descriptive details on these locomotive appliances would have been contained in Railway Mechanical Engineer (RME) articles of the period. I have checked here with the Toronto Public Libraries and they do not have this publication. I am just wondering if anything exists anywhere on the web, in a University Library/Historical Society or ..?
I have checked with the NYCSHS and they do not have any RME.
The Railway Mechanical Engineer for 1923 can be downloaded at:
http://www.archive.org/download/railway ... wyuoft.pdf
The quality of some pages is not good.
Did you try Railway Age?
regards,
hudson
http://www.archive.org/download/railway ... wyuoft.pdf
The quality of some pages is not good.
Did you try Railway Age?
regards,
hudson
Re: NYC Hudson Major Appliance Manufacturer's
HELLO OUT THERE.
Does anyone have an instruction manual or drawings for the throttle valves made by the American throttle company, New York, N.Y. !
These were a multi-port poppet valve arranged to open sequentially larger poppet valves as the cam lever shaft was rotated.
The tell tale is a shaft mounted lever protruding out of the smoke box at right angle to the center plane and nearly at the top of the smoke box.
Does anyone have an instruction manual or drawings for the throttle valves made by the American throttle company, New York, N.Y. !
These were a multi-port poppet valve arranged to open sequentially larger poppet valves as the cam lever shaft was rotated.
The tell tale is a shaft mounted lever protruding out of the smoke box at right angle to the center plane and nearly at the top of the smoke box.
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If you don't already know about it this book is soon to be released, I ordered mine and am eagerly awaiting it! The author knows his stuff.
https://nycshs.org/1988/01/02/nycshs-books-for-sale/
https://nycshs.org/1988/01/02/nycshs-books-for-sale/
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I've seen a picture of a cab of a J3a and it had an HT stoker.
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Some parts are appliances, and some are appurtenances.
There is a list of all the appliances and appurtenances for the UP Challenger or Big Boys, on here years ago. Seems like it was either a royalties list, or perhaps just a list all the pieces that were not ALCO produced. Its been so long I can not remember if it was an Alco document or a UP document.
Maybe one of the members remembers it. That would be good to reference for this post.
I remember that being a Very long list.
The pumps were 8.5" x 150. Air Pump governor was likely the #8 (AD-A).
There is a list of all the appliances and appurtenances for the UP Challenger or Big Boys, on here years ago. Seems like it was either a royalties list, or perhaps just a list all the pieces that were not ALCO produced. Its been so long I can not remember if it was an Alco document or a UP document.
Maybe one of the members remembers it. That would be good to reference for this post.
I remember that being a Very long list.
The pumps were 8.5" x 150. Air Pump governor was likely the #8 (AD-A).
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US Patents 1801441 and 1753297 are probably close, with drawings about like you would see in a Loco Cyc (undimensioned cross-sections). You can read them at Free Patents Online:RICHK wrote:HELLO OUT THERE.
Does anyone have an instruction manual or drawings for the throttle valves made by the American throttle company, New York, N.Y. !
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/1801441.html
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/1753297.html
John Brock