Turbo generators?
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Re: Turbo generators?
I'd be willing to be that the majority of the money is in the guts.
Making a lost-wax casting of a dummy turbo is not rocket science.
Building a working turbo generator turning 10,000 rpm plus is another thing entirely, ugly or otherwise.
There is a neat article in a past Live Steam where someone built one up from scratch. Read it and you'll see what I mean.
I'd like to have one too, as well as a couple of Nathan injectors. However, at 1400 a pop, I am just glad my prototype has the injectors in the cab.
I'll stick a couple of Economy's in there and wait patiently for a turbo....
I mean, I still need a boiler, as well as other critical items....
Brian
Making a lost-wax casting of a dummy turbo is not rocket science.
Building a working turbo generator turning 10,000 rpm plus is another thing entirely, ugly or otherwise.
There is a neat article in a past Live Steam where someone built one up from scratch. Read it and you'll see what I mean.
I'd like to have one too, as well as a couple of Nathan injectors. However, at 1400 a pop, I am just glad my prototype has the injectors in the cab.
I'll stick a couple of Economy's in there and wait patiently for a turbo....
I mean, I still need a boiler, as well as other critical items....
Brian
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Re: Turbo generators?
In fact there are a lot of costs.
There are four major investment castings.
There are more smaller castings, I am not sure how many. I would have to count.
In the past year the cost of investment casting has doubled. My primary investment casting foundry has closed and i am trying to build a relation with a new supplier.
There is machining of the parts, including drilling and tapping 00-90 holes and threading 00-90 toggle bolts.
To make a working turbogenerator means adding a turbine wheel, a generating component, a steam seal, a steam nozzle, and a pressure or voltage regulator.
I think Francis Moseley built them to keep himself active in retirement, Taking his sale price and adjusting for costs then and now he did not make any money building them.
There are items made today that were not available when Francis Moseley made his turbines, If I can utilize these items it may make for some cost reductions and a more reliable turbogenerator.
There are four major investment castings.
There are more smaller castings, I am not sure how many. I would have to count.
In the past year the cost of investment casting has doubled. My primary investment casting foundry has closed and i am trying to build a relation with a new supplier.
There is machining of the parts, including drilling and tapping 00-90 holes and threading 00-90 toggle bolts.
To make a working turbogenerator means adding a turbine wheel, a generating component, a steam seal, a steam nozzle, and a pressure or voltage regulator.
I think Francis Moseley built them to keep himself active in retirement, Taking his sale price and adjusting for costs then and now he did not make any money building them.
There are items made today that were not available when Francis Moseley made his turbines, If I can utilize these items it may make for some cost reductions and a more reliable turbogenerator.
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Re: Turbo generators?
What can we do to help Howard?
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Re: Turbo generators?
I visited Francis Moselely after the Westec show in 1980. He said at that point what he charged for the generators covered basically the materials, not the labor to build them.Howard Gorin wrote:In fact there are a lot of costs.
I think Francis Moseley built them to keep himself active in retirement, Taking his sale price and adjusting for costs then and now he did not make any money building them.
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Re: Turbo generators?
The last person who wanted to help me out wanted to know who let me in!
Among other things on my plate. Head lights and turbogenerators
Nathan and Detroit lubricators, Westinghouse CC air pumps.
Get my 1922 Buffalo-Springfield steam roller through a state boiler inspection.,
Learn Solidworks, Mastercam. Autocad... The list goes on.
Including get two Linotype machines working for a museum.
Anybody want to paint a steam roller?
Last time I looked there were three rollers in the barn.
Now I only claim ownership of two of them, one belongs to the Waushakum live steamers.
Anybody want to work on the two smaller ones, they are little machines, only 8 tons each.
Among other things on my plate. Head lights and turbogenerators
Nathan and Detroit lubricators, Westinghouse CC air pumps.
Get my 1922 Buffalo-Springfield steam roller through a state boiler inspection.,
Learn Solidworks, Mastercam. Autocad... The list goes on.
Including get two Linotype machines working for a museum.
Anybody want to paint a steam roller?
Last time I looked there were three rollers in the barn.
Now I only claim ownership of two of them, one belongs to the Waushakum live steamers.
Anybody want to work on the two smaller ones, they are little machines, only 8 tons each.
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Re: Turbo generators?
Does anyone know who makes working turbogenerators for 2 1/2" scale engines?
Thanks,
Mountaineer.
Thanks,
Mountaineer.
Re: Turbo generators?
Tom Miller had them made at one time.
Re: Turbo generators?
The 2.5” question came up before in 2010 from with this YouTube link to Midwest although following the web address comes up blank now
Dnc systems in Australia make a K240 in 2” scale
Jim
Dnc systems in Australia make a K240 in 2” scale
Jim
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Re: Turbo generators?
Suppose you take a good quality 12 volt DC motor out of an old tape recorder, place a wheel on it and build a container from copper tubing. Seal off one end with an insulated piece, then pass steam through a contained chamber. Would that work, in theory? In practice?
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Re: Turbo generators?
In theory yes, in practice proabably not well or long.
The turbine wheel will be spinning 20,000-30,000 R.P.M.
Consumer grade motor bearings will not last long, but would
probably out last the brushes and commutator.
There are better ways, I hope to build a turbogenerator.
I will not criticize you for trying
The turbine wheel will be spinning 20,000-30,000 R.P.M.
Consumer grade motor bearings will not last long, but would
probably out last the brushes and commutator.
There are better ways, I hope to build a turbogenerator.
I will not criticize you for trying
Re: Turbo generators?
Its almost tempting to strap peltiers to the underside of the boiler, run warm led's everywhere you need light, and rig up a dummy generator so it exhausts steam and see what hapens. Could even put a fan inside the dummy on bearings so it would "whirl."
Mattaniah Jahn
Matt Corps. Railsystems,
operating on the Manatee Central RR
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Matt Corps. Railsystems,
operating on the Manatee Central RR
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Re: Turbo generators?
Mountaineer wrote:Does anyone know who makes working turbogenerators for 2 1/2" scale engines?
Thanks,
Mountaineer.
Further to my last post
My copy of Australian Model Engineer turned up today and I notice in the E. J Winter catalogue they are selling working 2.5 scale Turbo-G’s
http://www.ejwinter.com.au/index.htm
Although this looks like the same Midwest one discussed earlier but you never know he might have some left in stock.
Jim
www.northernsteam.com