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[Rainer]

Hello from Germany,

since some Days i own a MetalLathe but dont Know,
who has build it.

Maybe a Champion Blower & Forge?
The Color ist not original, also the Motor and the Belt

Can you help?

Thanks and Regards

Rainer

[Harold_V]

Hello Rainer!
I'm no help with the identity of your lathe, but I'd like to welcome you to the board.

Harold

[spro]

Welcome, Rainer! Your lathe looks similar to a Dalton but better.

[spro]

I expanded the picture. It appears a fine feed screw thread at the left of the lead screw. There is more to say about this lathe.

[SteveHGraham]

Welcome. Have you checked lathes.co.uk? They have photos of a Champion lathe that looks very much like yours.

http://www.lathes.co.uk/blowerforge/page4.html

[Rainer]

Thanks for your friendly Welcome and
thanks for your quick Response

@SteveHGraham,
i spend a lot of Time to visit thise Web-Site.
Thats, why i thought, it could be a Champions Blower Forge.
Spro has the Tip, it could be a Dalton.

@Spro,
it looks, as it could be a Dalton Lot 2 ( 1914 ), but there are some Differences to my.
You wrote:
"There is more to say about this Lathe"....
Can you ...or have I... ?

Regards
Rainer

[Glenn Brooks]

Very nicely preserved lathe for sure. My first thought is you have a Dalton. But now I don't think so. Maybe a Champion Forge similar to one shown on Tony's UK lathe site.

The lower half of your tail stock looks to small to a Dalton. Also the tail stock end of the lead screw on Dalton lathes is attached directly to the bed of the ways with two machine screws. Yours looks like a post supports the end of the lead screw. Also early Daltons had their trade name "Dalton" cast on the front of the apron. Latter Lots 5, and 6 had the Dalton name cast on the middle of the bed, end of the headstock gear cover, and on the feet. Aprons were both rounded and square edges, depending on Lot.

He is my Dalton. Lots of similarities, but not exactly the same

So, Here is a way to know, maybe. Look on the vertical end of the bed, at the tailstock end. Daltons had a 'lot' number and serial number hand stamped on the end of the casting. If yours is a Dalton, it might be a lot 5, or 6 and have a three or four digit serial number. (Dalton made 7 and 9" lathes from 1913 through 1929 or 1930. Hundreds to thousands were sent to Europe during WW1.)

For sure, let us know what you find out. And welcome to the forum!

Regards
Glenn

[Rainer]

Hi Glenn,

thanks for your description and your Ideas!

Thats, why, maybe, it could be a Dalton:
From http://www.lathes.co.uk/dalton/page2.html

and my one

I need to look, if i can find any Numbers on my Lathe.

Regards,

Rainer

[spro]

Thanks to Glenn B. you have more information about your lathe. Some things to note: Champion Blower & Forge didn't make a lathe smaller than 9" swing (UK board) . We can estimate the swing but both Glenn and I own Dalton Six (actually 7") The "Swing" is twice the distance from centerline to bed surface but that was measured differently over time. Sometimes is was the useable distance above the saddle because the saddle of the carriage holds the tooling.
I believe your lathe has been modified and stylized over time or is perhaps the style copied by other manufacturers. If it is 7" swing range, look at those Vee ways. The Dalton's are huge for that size lathe and Glenn's pics show the relative difference. Then look at the change gears' retention, with a clip. Champion didn't do that, Yours and Dalton did that. So you may need to scrape a little paint to find the #s where Glenn suggested. I would check mine but it is far away now.
This is interesting discovery either way. Lots of things happen over 90 years. Thanks for introducing the topic and there is more.

[Glenn Brooks]

Wow, lot 2 are rare! Yes, now I am indeed a believer. May indeed be a Dalton. Unusual that the apron does not have "Dalton Six" cast into the surface. Who knows what can happen over time!!!

I've heard two stories about the name "Dalton Six": one is the lathe has six different functions it can perform with attachments. The other is the lathe has six speeds...

Maybe this will help looking at known features on the end of the headstock.

Glenn

[spro]

Not every lathe has that Tee slot milled behind the bed. The Six in One depended upon that for other things I haven't seen. One attachment was the taper fixture.

[Rainer]

Hi again,

Now I have to keep a Big Smile in my Face for a Long Time.
it is a Dalton, Lot 2, NO 477.

I Made a Picture with my Smartphone, in the Moment my Tablet doesn't Likes me.

The Machine is lightly repaired in the Past
and needs some more, but it is a Dalton Lot 2.

So I need some Help in the Future.

For the Moment many thanks for your Understanding and your Ideas.

Are there any more Information about the Lot 2- Dalton?

Regards

Rainer