LITTLE ENGINES
LITTLE ENGINES
Anyone know where to find the cost of drawings for locomotives from Little Engines Company?
Nothing on the on-line catalog or price list and no reply from inquiry.
Nothing on the on-line catalog or price list and no reply from inquiry.
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I don't think Mike wants to sell you any drawings, since you will just knock them off, then sell them through your Plan Ahead Designs.
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And what does p-l-a-g-i-a-r-i-s-m spell? Thief!
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FWIW,
I have purchased drawings from Little Engines, Railroad Supply, and Allen Locomotives before to see what is entailed in building a locomotive of my choice. To sit down and study the drawings before getting started gave me the opportunity to see the parts individually and figure out a way to make them as well as the tools needed to get the job done. Also, if a company does go under while your in the middle of mega-multi year locomotive build project, I would be sure to have a full set of drawings on hand so that the locomotive could be finished without having to re-engineer the missing parts.
We're not all thieves
I have purchased drawings from Little Engines, Railroad Supply, and Allen Locomotives before to see what is entailed in building a locomotive of my choice. To sit down and study the drawings before getting started gave me the opportunity to see the parts individually and figure out a way to make them as well as the tools needed to get the job done. Also, if a company does go under while your in the middle of mega-multi year locomotive build project, I would be sure to have a full set of drawings on hand so that the locomotive could be finished without having to re-engineer the missing parts.
We're not all thieves
Bruce Mowbray
Springville & Southern RR
TMB Manufacturing & Locomotive Works
Springville & Southern RR
TMB Manufacturing & Locomotive Works
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Bruce,
Your approach to this is not, as Marty says: "you will just knock them off, then sell them" and since your motives are to use the drawings for the purpose of building a project locomotive - your use is 'proper'. My ears perked up on this because I had drawings that I had slaved over for months copied and used on a web site . This person fought me that they were 'public domain' because he found them on line, copied them and used them as his backdrop - that is thieving, plagirism and downright dishonest. (stepping off the peachcrate)
BC
Your approach to this is not, as Marty says: "you will just knock them off, then sell them" and since your motives are to use the drawings for the purpose of building a project locomotive - your use is 'proper'. My ears perked up on this because I had drawings that I had slaved over for months copied and used on a web site . This person fought me that they were 'public domain' because he found them on line, copied them and used them as his backdrop - that is thieving, plagirism and downright dishonest. (stepping off the peachcrate)
BC
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I can understand why they didn't reply to you—your reputation evidently precedes you.RICHK wrote:Anyone know where to find the cost of drawings for locomotives from Little Engines Company?
Nothing on the on-line catalog or price list and no reply from inquiry.
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So are you still fishing for information to sell????? This is for personal gain and not to benefit construction of a locomotive. Mike sells me plans because I am a customer of his castings.
michael george
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I agree. I smell a rat here. I would not sell you anything unless you are building a locomotive.
www.chaski.com
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Interesting intellectual property questions here. If someone is taking prints and redrawing them into DXF or SVG or some other format there's obviously an investment and value add which deserves compensation but I would think some kind of licensing agreement with the originator needs to be there to be fair too. Whether that is the full price of the drawing set or not would be between the licensing parties.
Related question - if you are doing a group build on a project, does each person in the group need to buy a set of drawings to be fair? I say yes. A friend and I are building a pair of Buckwalter Shays, and although he purchased all the castings I bought a set of drawings too as it seems to me that is the only way the designer gets compensated for his efforts. There's little enough money in this hobby for suppliers that we shouldn't be cheating them.
Related question - if you are doing a group build on a project, does each person in the group need to buy a set of drawings to be fair? I say yes. A friend and I are building a pair of Buckwalter Shays, and although he purchased all the castings I bought a set of drawings too as it seems to me that is the only way the designer gets compensated for his efforts. There's little enough money in this hobby for suppliers that we shouldn't be cheating them.
John Brock
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Hear, hear!! Any cheaters should be flogged...jcbrock wrote:There's little enough money in this hobby for suppliers that we shouldn't be cheating them.
Despicable..
Pete
Just tryin'
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You are to be applauded as this is exactly what you should do.A friend and I are building a pair of Buckwalter Shays, and although he purchased all the castings I bought a set of drawings too as it seems to me that is the only way the designer gets compensated for his efforts.
Years ago I built a homebuilt aircraft with a friend. Right in the front of the purchased plans set was a statement that the plans were my license to build one and only one copy of the Aircraft. The plans came with a serial number to assign to the aircraft frame. Nor could I legally sell the plans after completing the aircraft. It was very clear that I had not bought production rights to go into business.
Charlie Pipes
Mid-South Live Steamers
Current Projects:
Scratch Built 3 3/4 scale 0-4-4 Forney
Little Engines American
20 Ton Shay (Castings and Plans Purchased for future)
Mid-South Live Steamers
Current Projects:
Scratch Built 3 3/4 scale 0-4-4 Forney
Little Engines American
20 Ton Shay (Castings and Plans Purchased for future)
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Charlie,
In most jurisdictions that holds true for plans for construction projects of any kind, unless otherwise agreed to, and even when not stated is always implied. In the architectural world if you commission (and/or buy) a set of building plans, just as with the Homebuilt the design and construction documents are the intellectual property of the architect/designer and entitle the purchaser to build one single example of the design. That being said, during my career I regularly saw clients, developers typically, attempt to build multiple examples (a restaurant for instance) from one set of drawings. A firm I was with was affected by such an attempt. The Perps were always sued, and the Architect always won, but there was a lot of money hanging in the balance and justified the cost of taking legal action.
In most jurisdictions that holds true for plans for construction projects of any kind, unless otherwise agreed to, and even when not stated is always implied. In the architectural world if you commission (and/or buy) a set of building plans, just as with the Homebuilt the design and construction documents are the intellectual property of the architect/designer and entitle the purchaser to build one single example of the design. That being said, during my career I regularly saw clients, developers typically, attempt to build multiple examples (a restaurant for instance) from one set of drawings. A firm I was with was affected by such an attempt. The Perps were always sued, and the Architect always won, but there was a lot of money hanging in the balance and justified the cost of taking legal action.
GWRdriver
Nashville TN
Nashville TN