How to make very tight cylider / piston clearances ?
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:24 pm
OK ... I am a semi retired machinist (first post)
In the "real world" almost everything I worked on was large ... sometimes very large. You could park 4 cars on the bed of the vertical lathe we had (this was at Westinghouse Generator and Turbine in Hamilton Ontario).
When required to do accurate work, I had access to extremely expensive equipment ($250K wire EDM at Westinghouse Nuclear in SC).
So now I am setting up a new home shop (have 3500 sq ft of concrete poured) ... I have the usual in storage ... a couple of older vertical mills, lathes, band saw, welders .... I hope to get a few more once the shop is up (upgraded lathe ... shaper ... horizontal mill ....)
I have been thinking about projects once I get the shop finished.
One that came to mind was a small 2 stroke diesel (model airplane type ... like a Mills).
I am still looking for a full set of plans but the one thing I did find was an original drawing of the cylinder / piston.
According to an article I found: Of more interest is the dimensions and tolerances specified. For example, the bore was to be 0.497 ±0.0005" before nitriding (hardening) and grinding, after which it was to be 0.500" ±0.0001". The skirt, which needs to be a close fit in the crankcase to prevent leakage between transfer and exhaust, was to be ground to 0.5993", plus 0.0005", minus 0.0000"! These are fine tolerances for a mass produced model engine and a credit to Mills quality.
I know people make copies of this engine at home ... how? Do you guys have cylindrical grinders (capable of ID and OD) or ????
I am not even sure how you would measure this without an air gauge .... and maybe on a one off that is not necessary as long as you have a "good" fit.
At work I would have cheated ... turned the outside .. put a hole in the center ... hardened it .. put it on the wire EDM an told it to cut a hole.
Maybe some of you have built small diesel engines and can tell me what you did ... maybe the article exaggerated how tight the clearances need to be?
Any suggestions would be great.
Thanks so much .... Mike
PS ... for the past few years, most of my projects have been more fabrication than machining. My wife was paralyzed in a diving accident from the shoulders down. She needs care every 4 hours so I converted an old RV, cutting a new door, building my own lift (they wanted more for a lift than I payed for a 10 year old RV), gutting the interior and putting in hospital beds. We have just finished building an accessible house. It took 7 years but I did as much as I could myself. They quoted us almost $40K for an elevator. I built one using he mast of an old forklift ... $2K. Here are pictures of he RV and the lift (no car yet ... pictures of first test run).
In the "real world" almost everything I worked on was large ... sometimes very large. You could park 4 cars on the bed of the vertical lathe we had (this was at Westinghouse Generator and Turbine in Hamilton Ontario).
When required to do accurate work, I had access to extremely expensive equipment ($250K wire EDM at Westinghouse Nuclear in SC).
So now I am setting up a new home shop (have 3500 sq ft of concrete poured) ... I have the usual in storage ... a couple of older vertical mills, lathes, band saw, welders .... I hope to get a few more once the shop is up (upgraded lathe ... shaper ... horizontal mill ....)
I have been thinking about projects once I get the shop finished.
One that came to mind was a small 2 stroke diesel (model airplane type ... like a Mills).
I am still looking for a full set of plans but the one thing I did find was an original drawing of the cylinder / piston.
According to an article I found: Of more interest is the dimensions and tolerances specified. For example, the bore was to be 0.497 ±0.0005" before nitriding (hardening) and grinding, after which it was to be 0.500" ±0.0001". The skirt, which needs to be a close fit in the crankcase to prevent leakage between transfer and exhaust, was to be ground to 0.5993", plus 0.0005", minus 0.0000"! These are fine tolerances for a mass produced model engine and a credit to Mills quality.
I know people make copies of this engine at home ... how? Do you guys have cylindrical grinders (capable of ID and OD) or ????
I am not even sure how you would measure this without an air gauge .... and maybe on a one off that is not necessary as long as you have a "good" fit.
At work I would have cheated ... turned the outside .. put a hole in the center ... hardened it .. put it on the wire EDM an told it to cut a hole.
Maybe some of you have built small diesel engines and can tell me what you did ... maybe the article exaggerated how tight the clearances need to be?
Any suggestions would be great.
Thanks so much .... Mike
PS ... for the past few years, most of my projects have been more fabrication than machining. My wife was paralyzed in a diving accident from the shoulders down. She needs care every 4 hours so I converted an old RV, cutting a new door, building my own lift (they wanted more for a lift than I payed for a 10 year old RV), gutting the interior and putting in hospital beds. We have just finished building an accessible house. It took 7 years but I did as much as I could myself. They quoted us almost $40K for an elevator. I built one using he mast of an old forklift ... $2K. Here are pictures of he RV and the lift (no car yet ... pictures of first test run).