Fun in the shop

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stephenc
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Fun in the shop

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Let me start by saying ... you can direct your complaints to the recycle bin :)

Anyhow , I started a project the other day . I'm not going to say what it is . You are welcome to guess all you want but I won't say if your right or not .
It will become pretty obvious in about a month if things go to plan

First pic , a nice big chunk of heat treated 4140

Followed by cutting to lenght in the power hack .... the bar is 80mm. ( just over 3" )
Took 6 minutes to saw threw with a 6 tpi blade .

Next is a quick facing to get it in semblance of being square

And then it's off to the shaper to turn it Into a rectangle , this took awhile , about 2.5 hours to whittle it down to 1.5 inch x 2.5 inch.
@ 50 strokes or so a minute a .025 depth of cut and .012 feed. It gave my little shaper a workout , chips came off bright blue and burn you hot .
I had to re-grind the tool three times


And the last thing I got to today was getting it set back up in the lathe to bore a 1 inch hole on a 4 degree angle . Spot faced , center drilled and ready to drill and bore
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Great work with the shaper. Look at that depth and the chips! If I could have sent you the very piece you needed, it wouldn't be worth what you learned and shared with us.
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I have a friend who often needs a part out of a larger chunk. I've always chosen to stick the stock back in the bandsaw and let it cut it to a closer size. He always prefers to turn it all to chips. With that blade, if it would fit in the saw, I would have preferred the shorter time it would have taken and the stock left for the next project. That's pretty cool to see what the shaper can do, though.

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At first I was gonna go with paper weight, but with the bore at an angle, it now looks like a dual purpose paper weight pen holder (with the PPAP tune playing in my head).
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Got the hole drilled out and bored nearly to size .
This ended up being more of a challenge then expected , the largest drill I own is half inch . And with the piece being offset in the Chuck It wouldn't clear the carriage .
So I had to start with a way to long and skinny boring bar that would only cut about .003 per pass .
To add to the fun I could only spin the piece @ 75 rpm or so in my little lathe .

Three hours later I had enough chewed out to stick an appropriate size boring in the hole and get it finished @ 1 inch .
Surface finish ended up better then I expected having to turn it slow , if I had a reamer the right size I would probably have used it to get a nice clean bore with no tool Mark's. , instead I think I'll give it a quick hone and polish when I get to that point .
If it does go egg shaped with the hone I have enough wiggle room to just open the hole up a bit more and live with minor tool marks.

Next step is to get a 1/2" hole drilled threw the piece lenghtways and thread a short section of It

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I learned quite a bit whittling that piece out ,.. along with the second one i decided to do because the left over piece was big enough .
First lesson ... Chinese hss tool bits suck compared to quality American bits .
For the second piece I decided to use a vintage "rex aaa " bit I found in my tool box .
It plowed threw the entire piece without needing to be sharpened . .. unlike the Chinese cobalt .
Lesson #2 .. shear tools do not work with my little shaper and 4140 ht . It could be I didn't have the tool ground properly , but what worked well with mild steel didn't work at all .

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I wanted to cut the excess off with hacksaw , I really did . It would have been way faster . But I would have spent nearly as much time figuring out how to hold the stock on the saw as i would have just turnimg it to chips ... so chips it became .

Besides that ... that is my last blade and I have a few more things I need to cut with it and I'd rather not spend any cash on hack saw blades at the moment .
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stephenc wrote:If it does go egg shaped with the hone I have enough wiggle room to just open the hole up a bit more and live with minor tool marks.
I'll assume you will hone with a flex hone. Yeah, you risk altering the hole, as they don't have the ability to correct existing conditions, but if you have access to a rigid hone (like a Sunnen), any errors in the hole will be corrected, with no risk of taper or egg shape. That's assuming you use good shop practice with the hone.

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Yes sir a flex hone is what I have to use . Actually a tiny amount of taper would be ideal . However a egg shaped hole won't be something I can live with .

I'll give it a shot once ... I don't think it will take much work to get the finish I'm looking for . And like I mentioned if it doesn't work I can always open up the hole a bit more .
Actual finished dimensions aren't at all critical
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Is that the finished product or is there more to do? If so we are looking forward for the rest of the machining and trying to figure out what it is. :wink: :) :)


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There is a whole bunch more to do ... the Part has two more lathe operations .
And then it goes onto the mill to lose about more 3 lbs . After that there is roughly 35 more parts and pieces that goes with it :)

I'm hoping to get out to the shop this evening and get the half inch hole drilled threw it and the threading finished . ... that's depending on the little woman co-operating with my plans .
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Actually, this is about as good as it gets.
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Sounds like lots of work, have fun. Pillar tool?
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I'm thinking it is the safety catch for a Kalush. This assuming you are all familiar with the Kalush Maker story.
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