fixing go cart for next generation

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fixing go cart for next generation

Post by curtis cutter » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:01 pm

I am in the process of "restoring" a little go cart I had for my kids decades ago and I am now into the next generation with 9 little ones under 5 years old.

In the process of the stripping it down I noticed that the wheels were held to the axle by a nut that presses against the two inner races of the outer and inner hub bearings. The outer races of the bearings are seated in the wheel hub. Basically it was designed to put a pressure against the inner bearing races with no spacer between the two inner races.

I would like to use two 1.325" OD washers with a .5" ID and have a 1/4" portion of the flat face at the ID removed so when the nut is installed I would be pressing against the two outer races thus holding the wheel on but letting the bearings find their own centers as the inner races would be floating on the 1/2" axle shaft.

Does anyone know of a hardened washer that has this "characteristic"?

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Re: fixing go cart for next generation

Post by mcostello » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:31 pm

Can You make a drawing of what You want? I am sure Someone here would help out. I would volunteer.

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Re: fixing go cart for next generation

Post by curtis cutter » Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:18 pm

The only drawing program I have on this machine is Publisher and I cannot get it to want to move over here.
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Re: fixing go cart for next generation

Post by WJH » Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:44 am

For bearing pre-load?

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Re: fixing go cart for next generation

Post by whateg0 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:53 am

I'm having trouble picturing what you want to do, but it sounds like a bad idea. The way the bearings are preloaded is the same way they are done on automobiles. If you don't want the bearings preloaded, just use a nylock nut and leave it loose from the bearings. I can't think of a good reason to do that though.

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Re: fixing go cart for next generation

Post by curtis cutter » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:23 am

The way this is designed, the two ball bearings are inserted until the outer race seats against a shoulder in the wheel hub. the hub is then placed on the 1/2" axle and it sits with the inner ball bearing race against the inside shoulder of the axle. The hub assembly is then held on the axle with a nut that pushes against the inner race of the outer roller bearing.

Basically, when you tighten the nut you are pushing against both inner races. What I want to do is push against the two outer races allowing the balls and inner races to find their (for lack of better words, happy places) in the alignment.
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Re: fixing go cart for next generation

Post by whateg0 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:50 pm

That's not how it works. The way it is installed is exactly how bearings should be. How are you going to prevent wear on the sliding surface of the outer race vs the washer? Another bearing?

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Re: fixing go cart for next generation

Post by BigDumbDinosaur » Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:01 pm

curtis cutter wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:23 am
Basically, when you tighten the nut you are pushing against both inner races. What I want to do is push against the two outer races allowing the balls and inner races to find their (for lack of better words, happy places) in the alignment.
I don't think what you are trying to do is a good idea. The point behind designing the assembly to put pressure on the inner races is to remove slack in the bearing assembly that can lead to wheel wobble. If you are concerned about how much pre-load is being applied to the bearings use a self-locking nut to keep the hub on the spindle and tighten the nut enough to remove all clearance.
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Re: fixing go cart for next generation

Post by BigDumbDinosaur » Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:02 pm

whateg0 wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:50 pm
How are you going to prevent wear on the sliding surface of the outer race vs the washer?
...not to mention galling of the rubbing surfaces and possible seizure.
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Re: fixing go cart for next generation

Post by curtis cutter » Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:38 pm

BigDumbDinosaur wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:02 pm
whateg0 wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:50 pm
How are you going to prevent wear on the sliding surface of the outer race vs the washer?
...not to mention galling of the rubbing surfaces and possible seizure.
Excellent points, rather obvious once you spell it out. :) . Maybe there is just no hope for this design. Putting pressure against the two inner races of the ball bearings just seems wrong. Perhaps drilling the axle and using a castle nut is the answer and not putting much if any preload on the bearing is the way to go.
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Re: fixing go cart for next generation

Post by whateg0 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:58 pm

curtis cutter wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:38 pm
...Putting pressure against the two inner races of the ball bearings just seems wrong. Perhaps drilling the axle and using a castle nut is the answer and not putting much if any preload on the bearing is the way to go.
Putting pressure against the inner races is exactly what preload is. If you want more evidence that this is the way things should be, again, look at automotive wheel bearings. TIghten until there is significant drag, then back off an 1/8 turn. Look at spindle installation in a lathe. A nylock nut will do the job just fine since the inner race shouldn't be turning anyway.

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Re: fixing go cart for next generation

Post by whateg0 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:06 pm

I'll add that even in such things as an electric motor, you'll often find wavy washers keeping pressure against the bearing at one end to keep axial slop to a minimum. While it doesn't provide significant preload, it performs the same function by keeping the play out of they system.

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