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Interesting vise

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A member posted this link over at the HSM forum, I guess it didn't set the machining forums on fire, seems to be a rare beast -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBeOgGt_oWU

A modern adaptation of just the jaws for engraving
https://www.airgraver.com/-

The original patent -
https://patents.google.com/patent/US1059545
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that thing is crazy and amazing.
It seems so logical, one has to wonder why they aren't more common.
It has a lot of parts though. Could be prone to breakage.
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I suspect that they aren't made due to cost, when it's dead easy for those with a CNC to contour soft jaws.

Imagine creating each of those components to exacting tolerance. If they fit properly, they most likely are rather robust due to the large area of support. If not, all bets are off.

That is one cool vise!

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An interesting jaw design and it's surprising these aren't more well known. While I certainly wouldn't turn one down since there's no such thing as having too many work holding options, it would be hard to justify there cost for an average home shop verses just how much one might get used. And with milling, cutting fluids or flood coolant there probably fairly high maintenance just keeping the internals clean enough to not bind up. Somebody was more than clever designing that for sure.
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pete wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:31 am An interesting jaw design and it's surprising these aren't more well known. While I certainly wouldn't turn one down since there's no such thing as having too many work holding options, it would be hard to justify there cost for an average home shop verses just how much one might get used. And with milling, cutting fluids or flood coolant there probably fairly high maintenance just keeping the internals clean enough to not bind up. Somebody was more than clever designing that for sure.
I highly doubt it would really be suitable for use on a milking machine. I'm sure the jaw lift is pretty significant.
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Well going by what the video showed, everything that can be is keyed to prevent that upward jaw lift. It's obviously never going to be quite as rigid as a set of solid jaws, but it should be quite capable of at least semi heavy milling cuts. The more I think about it I'd have to say this was designed probably as a light production milling vise meant for processing smaller castings. And for that it should work quite well except for that cleaning maintenance issue which it likely why the idea never really caught on. For just straight drill press use, it's overly complex so other cheaper custom shaped fixtures could be used.
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That vise must have cost a small fortune back in the day with all the parts, and dovetailed parts no less !
There is a video of a 3D printed one, but I haven't looked at it.

Digging around some more I found this ad on Vintage Machinery, no price, -
http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/detail.aspx?id=25695

To me it seems time and material consuming with CNC to make a fixture, when you can just clamp and go.
It very well could be chips gumming up the work that made the vise unpopular, in the video there was quite
a bit of stuff in the vise that he had to clean out.
Ever since seeing that video I've been on hunt for one !
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one for sale on ebay germany; just $50.
4 jaws missing though.

https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anz ... 51-84-4012
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You should see what we do with Willemin Macodel machines that have gantry controlled vise jaw changers to grip a variety of different shaped parts in production runs.

One option is to have the gantry robot install virgin jaws and have the machine cut them to size before new part is gripped.
Too many things going on to bother listing them.
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liveaboard wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:05 am one for sale on ebay germany; just $50.
4 jaws missing though.

https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anz ... 51-84-4012
Dang it, so close yet so far away.....
Shipping from Germany to the NY would be a doozy.
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and what do the JAWS cost?
Too many things going on to bother listing them.
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