Converting a Baldwin 2-4-2 LYN to a Baldwin 2-4-4
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Re: Converting a Baldwin 2-4-2 LYN to a Baldwin 2-4-4
If you look at the fourney's in later years you can see that they use the same style of truck under the tender as your Ps 4 uses for the leading truck (hint hint!). Don't forget to update your projects in your signature!
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Re: Converting a Baldwin 2-4-2 LYN to a Baldwin 2-4-4
Do you mean instead of something like this: They went to something like this:Stuie wrote:If you look at the fourney's in later years you can see that they use the same style of truck under the tender as your Ps 4 uses for the leading truck (hint hint!).
Charlie,
In case you don't have these already, here's a link to a couple of detail drawings for WW&F #7:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/knepp736/s ... 171316551/
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Re: Converting a Baldwin 2-4-2 LYN to a Baldwin 2-4-4
I recall reading of a number of this style locos being used for commuter service in and out of the Boston area in the steam years. Key feature was speed in reverse since the tail and front trucks were basicly the same. Many of the commuter lines didn't have turning facilities so they ran one way out and then reverse the other direction. So if looking for US looking locos, look in some of the books of the lines serving Boston like the B&A and B&M lines. If my library wasn't in boxes I know two books I'd grab a reference for you.
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Re: Converting a Baldwin 2-4-2 LYN to a Baldwin 2-4-4
Not much time in the shop tonight as I am wore out lately from work.
What I did get down to do tonight was to put together a rust removal experiment using a battery charger.
I followed the advice of a coworker and went to this site
http://www.instructables.com/id/Electro ... aka-Magic/
It was simple to throw together and it is running right now with a couple of test pieces. Going to look at them in 3 hours and see how they do.
Basicly it is a five gallon plastic bucket with five pieces of rebar around the edges connected with copper wire.
A product called Washing Soda is added (Five Tablespoons)
The positive lead is connected to the five rods and the negative is connected to the part using clips and wire.
It is suppose to take between half an hour to two days to get the rust off.
I have it on six volts low amps and the parts are bubbling as advertised. We shall see.
By the way I did pick expendable parts for the test.
What I did get down to do tonight was to put together a rust removal experiment using a battery charger.
I followed the advice of a coworker and went to this site
http://www.instructables.com/id/Electro ... aka-Magic/
It was simple to throw together and it is running right now with a couple of test pieces. Going to look at them in 3 hours and see how they do.
Basicly it is a five gallon plastic bucket with five pieces of rebar around the edges connected with copper wire.
A product called Washing Soda is added (Five Tablespoons)
The positive lead is connected to the five rods and the negative is connected to the part using clips and wire.
It is suppose to take between half an hour to two days to get the rust off.
I have it on six volts low amps and the parts are bubbling as advertised. We shall see.
By the way I did pick expendable parts for the test.
Charlie Pipes
Mid-South Live Steamers
Current Projects:
Scratch Built 3 3/4 scale 0-4-4 Forney
Little Engines American
20 Ton Shay (Castings and Plans Purchased for future)
Mid-South Live Steamers
Current Projects:
Scratch Built 3 3/4 scale 0-4-4 Forney
Little Engines American
20 Ton Shay (Castings and Plans Purchased for future)
Re: Converting a Baldwin 2-4-2 LYN to a Baldwin 2-4-4
That is exactly what I meant Curtis! I don't know the specifics but being that this locomotive is 2 1/2" scale, I think you could get away with using a normal 1 1/2" scale leading bogie. It might save Charlie some time designing the tender truck and make it easier to figure out brake rigging and mounting.
3/4" scale LBSC Bantam Cock
3/4" scale B4 project (re-designed LBSC Juliet)
- Stuart T. Harrod -
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Re: Converting a Baldwin 2-4-2 LYN to a Baldwin 2-4-4
Can't thank you guys enough for the input. Hoping to scan in the different drawing and scale it into the 2 1/2 scale to see how it looks. I figure it will be late in the year before I get to it
Tonight, while waiting for the electronic rust removal out I put a few unpainted parts in place to see how they fit.
The test parts came out after one and a half hours. Looked like the article said they would and leaned up in thirty seconds with a wire wheel on a battery drill
Realize I should have taken a before photo.
The two parts looked like this.
I put this cross member in the tank for over night.
It will not be used if I go to the four wheel trailing truck.
By the way I have given serious thought to doing the two trucks at the same time. Even If I do not use the same on in both applications, it does make sense on doing them together.
Tonight, while waiting for the electronic rust removal out I put a few unpainted parts in place to see how they fit.
The test parts came out after one and a half hours. Looked like the article said they would and leaned up in thirty seconds with a wire wheel on a battery drill
Realize I should have taken a before photo.
The two parts looked like this.
I put this cross member in the tank for over night.
It will not be used if I go to the four wheel trailing truck.
By the way I have given serious thought to doing the two trucks at the same time. Even If I do not use the same on in both applications, it does make sense on doing them together.
Charlie Pipes
Mid-South Live Steamers
Current Projects:
Scratch Built 3 3/4 scale 0-4-4 Forney
Little Engines American
20 Ton Shay (Castings and Plans Purchased for future)
Mid-South Live Steamers
Current Projects:
Scratch Built 3 3/4 scale 0-4-4 Forney
Little Engines American
20 Ton Shay (Castings and Plans Purchased for future)
Re: Converting a Baldwin 2-4-2 LYN to a Baldwin 2-4-4
Not a lot of time in the shop tonight, but as I was running the gas grill to do porkchops, I added the main driver assembly to get it hot enough to break the Loctite bond that holds it all together.
This took about an hour and after dinner I was able to knock it apart with a brass hammer and a wooden block. It is all back in the shop cooling.
I also dropped a driver (taken apart last week) in the battery charger stripper for three hours and have it brushed up nice with the wire wheel. The other one is cooking now
Last but not least I had a senior moment thinking I could use a leading truck I had already started. I dug out the leading truck I had worked on for a LE American.
WHAT WAS I THINKING......
This took about an hour and after dinner I was able to knock it apart with a brass hammer and a wooden block. It is all back in the shop cooling.
I also dropped a driver (taken apart last week) in the battery charger stripper for three hours and have it brushed up nice with the wire wheel. The other one is cooking now
Last but not least I had a senior moment thinking I could use a leading truck I had already started. I dug out the leading truck I had worked on for a LE American.
WHAT WAS I THINKING......
Charlie Pipes
Mid-South Live Steamers
Current Projects:
Scratch Built 3 3/4 scale 0-4-4 Forney
Little Engines American
20 Ton Shay (Castings and Plans Purchased for future)
Mid-South Live Steamers
Current Projects:
Scratch Built 3 3/4 scale 0-4-4 Forney
Little Engines American
20 Ton Shay (Castings and Plans Purchased for future)
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Re: Converting a Baldwin 2-4-2 LYN to a Baldwin 2-4-4
I believe it will work just fine for a "shop truck" Charlie......
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Re: Converting a Baldwin 2-4-2 LYN to a Baldwin 2-4-4
I don't suppose you'd want to pass along your project before too much changes on it? I'd LOVE to build it as intended.
Being a HUGE fan of British iron here in the US tends to be a problem for me.
Cheers,
ADK
Being a HUGE fan of British iron here in the US tends to be a problem for me.
Cheers,
ADK
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Re: Converting a Baldwin 2-4-2 LYN to a Baldwin 2-4-4
Me too! That is why I switched gears and started building a British engine instead of an Allen mogul. From what I have seen the smaller scales seem to have more British engines in the USA, but that is probably due to the dozens of plans for 3/4" and 1" scale that were published in the last century.Adirondack wrote:Being a HUGE fan of British iron here in the US tends to be a problem for me.ADK
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Re: Converting a Baldwin 2-4-2 LYN to a Baldwin 2-4-4
Adirondack,and Benjamin Maggi
I am not looking to sell the Rust Bucket right now as it is a whole new set of challenges for me.
But having started on my Honey do list today (Must be done before I can go to the shop) I have been giving it a lot of thought.
So while it is not for sale right now, I will keep your interest in mind and not make any changes to the base parts that would keep someone from building it as original.
Any thing I add will be bolt on and I will keep any unused parts in storage so it can be converted back if I get to the Mod part of the project.
Right now I am trying to get the frame to run on air as designed.
Charlie
I am not looking to sell the Rust Bucket right now as it is a whole new set of challenges for me.
But having started on my Honey do list today (Must be done before I can go to the shop) I have been giving it a lot of thought.
So while it is not for sale right now, I will keep your interest in mind and not make any changes to the base parts that would keep someone from building it as original.
Any thing I add will be bolt on and I will keep any unused parts in storage so it can be converted back if I get to the Mod part of the project.
Right now I am trying to get the frame to run on air as designed.
Charlie
Charlie Pipes
Mid-South Live Steamers
Current Projects:
Scratch Built 3 3/4 scale 0-4-4 Forney
Little Engines American
20 Ton Shay (Castings and Plans Purchased for future)
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Scratch Built 3 3/4 scale 0-4-4 Forney
Little Engines American
20 Ton Shay (Castings and Plans Purchased for future)
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Re: Converting a Baldwin 2-4-2 LYN to a Baldwin 2-4-4
Much appreciated!!!Pipescs wrote:Adirondack,and Benjamin Maggi
I am not looking to sell the Rust Bucket right now as it is a whole new set of challenges for me.
But having started on my Honey do list today (Must be done before I can go to the shop) I have been giving it a lot of thought.
So while it is not for sale right now, I will keep your interest in mind and not make any changes to the base parts that would keep someone from building it as original.
Any thing I add will be bolt on and I will keep any unused parts in storage so it can be converted back if I get to the Mod part of the project.
Right now I am trying to get the frame to run on air as designed.
Charlie
I will say that it would be nice to have this one end up as intended. When you modify say, an Allen mogul, there are hundreds of those engines built hundreds of ways. Here, you have a rare bird indeed with only a dozen ever reaching the rails.
Cheers,
Chris
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A little locomotive with 4 wheels on the track is a lot more fun
than a 1/2 finished one with 16 wheels on the bench!