WABASH 573 PROTOTYPE DRAWINGS
WABASH 573 PROTOTYPE DRAWINGS
Can anyone direct me to a source for Wabash no. 573 (2-6-0 MOGUL) prototype drawings?
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Re: WABASH 573 PROTOTYPE DRAWINGS
Did you check with Allen Models of Nevada?
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Please list the: builder, year built, construction number, and if it has clones on other roads list their info also.
All that helps in remembering who might have the blueprints.
All that helps in remembering who might have the blueprints.
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Re: WABASH 573 PROTOTYPE DRAWINGS
RICHK,
You might try contacting the folks at the St. Louis Chapter National Railway Historical Society, they are currently working on a cosmetic restoration of #573.
They have contact info on their website: http://www.stlouisnrhs.org/
Brook
You might try contacting the folks at the St. Louis Chapter National Railway Historical Society, they are currently working on a cosmetic restoration of #573.
They have contact info on their website: http://www.stlouisnrhs.org/
Brook
Re: WABASH 573 PROTOTYPE DRAWINGS
Probably not exactly what you are looking for but ...
Jan - Jun 1959 issues of Model Railroader
There are prototype photos and drawings scattered through the articles.
Jan - Jun 1959 issues of Model Railroader
There are prototype photos and drawings scattered through the articles.
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Re: WABASH 573 PROTOTYPE DRAWINGS
I'm not sure as to the date, but once upon a time Kemtrom offered it as an O Gauge kit.
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Re: WABASH 573 PROTOTYPE DRAWINGS
8thscale wrote:Probably not exactly what you are looking for but ...
Jan - Jun 1959 issues of Model Railroader
There are prototype photos and drawings scattered through the articles.
And these are the drawings that Harpur based his locomotive on. The best tell are the fishbelly side rods and the square cornered domes, which do not appear on the prototype in St. Louis.
Steve
p.s. And the drawing Harpur did not use!
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Short of cobbling out of a billet of aluminum does anyone have a source for the stack
on the prototype in 1-1/2" scale?
The Allen casting is larger in diameter and shorter and along with the domes affects the
overall look of the engine.
Thanks,
Brian
on the prototype in 1-1/2" scale?
The Allen casting is larger in diameter and shorter and along with the domes affects the
overall look of the engine.
Thanks,
Brian
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Wow. Even the cab profile is different. It's more like a Baldwin profile.
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I have long considered making and selling a few interchangeable variation parts for the Allen engines. My ten-wheeler came with a custom diamond-stack and different, older-style rods. Would anybody be interested different design (i.e. Baldwin) stacks, domes, cabs, etc. commercially available?makinsmoke wrote: Short of cobbling out of a billet of aluminum does anyone have a source for the stack
on the prototype in 1-1/2" scale?
The Allen design stack is definitely a wider stack than prototype, and I would bet the height was reduced to compensate for the larger boiler size on the Allen/Harpur engines, versus the prototype. It sure looks it. Perhaps someone can verify. The Allen engines IMO sit pretty big/tall on the rails, even next to a Pacific. I think the first Harpur engine had a different stack, and possibly a smaller smokebox. Either way, I would still agree; I've researched comparably sized prototypes and they ALL seem to have a more slender stack relative to everything else.makinsmoke wrote: The Allen casting is larger in diameter and shorter and along with the domes affects the
overall look of the engine.
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Re: WABASH 573 PROTOTYPE DRAWINGS
Alternate bits always are welcome.
Finding that sweet spot in between what others offer
is the trick.
FWIW, I scored a sand and steam dome a few years ago
that I believe are Little Engines. Totally different look
and exactly what I was looking for. The stack is another
matter. The Railroad Supply stacks are shorter still, and
straight.
The one on the 573, and many other early smaller engines
can be described as shotgun stacks, although looking at the
real thing you will see that they indeed taped, just not much.
Railroad Supply also offers what they describe as a Baldwin cab.
It has the right look, though the roof is a concentric radius rather
than compound like the prototype. Still that cab on an Allen engine
changes the whole look.
That's the beauty of that design and product. So many of those early engines
were built, and with slight changes here and there lots of different locos
can be built.
Maybe set up a survey what people would like to see?
Btw, I'm building a facsimile of the Sanfa Fe 419 Class locos.
The wheelbase, driver and boiler diameter, and other basic dimensions
are either dead on or so close they won't detract from the end result.
So for me a "shotgun" stack, maybe Laird valve guides, different
domes if you can find some not already produced, different tender hatches,
Handrail stanchions...
By the way. Thanks for posting that photo. I've been digging down into
it and enjoying looking at all of the "fiddly bits" as Jack calls them.
The cylinder cock actuating arm looks like it's just hanging out there
waiting to snag on something!
Take care,
Brian
Finding that sweet spot in between what others offer
is the trick.
FWIW, I scored a sand and steam dome a few years ago
that I believe are Little Engines. Totally different look
and exactly what I was looking for. The stack is another
matter. The Railroad Supply stacks are shorter still, and
straight.
The one on the 573, and many other early smaller engines
can be described as shotgun stacks, although looking at the
real thing you will see that they indeed taped, just not much.
Railroad Supply also offers what they describe as a Baldwin cab.
It has the right look, though the roof is a concentric radius rather
than compound like the prototype. Still that cab on an Allen engine
changes the whole look.
That's the beauty of that design and product. So many of those early engines
were built, and with slight changes here and there lots of different locos
can be built.
Maybe set up a survey what people would like to see?
Btw, I'm building a facsimile of the Sanfa Fe 419 Class locos.
The wheelbase, driver and boiler diameter, and other basic dimensions
are either dead on or so close they won't detract from the end result.
So for me a "shotgun" stack, maybe Laird valve guides, different
domes if you can find some not already produced, different tender hatches,
Handrail stanchions...
By the way. Thanks for posting that photo. I've been digging down into
it and enjoying looking at all of the "fiddly bits" as Jack calls them.
The cylinder cock actuating arm looks like it's just hanging out there
waiting to snag on something!
Take care,
Brian