Is this a logging maintenance loco? I want to build one
Is this a logging maintenance loco? I want to build one
I found this old hulk in a So. Cal. amusement park. I just cries out to be modeled in a live steam reincarnation. Does anyone know what this type of loco is called? I think it was used in mine service but possibly logging also? Do you think there are any plans available anywhere to build something like this? I suppose I could "scratch" build this but with only one photo it would be tough for me. Thanks for any and all input on this proposed project.
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Re: Is this a logging maintenance loco? I want to build one
You might want to look up or search for "Bill Connor Beam Engines". They didn't look exactly like that but might be good starting points.
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Re: Is this a logging maintenance loco? I want to build one
That is a prop from the 1978 Disney movie “Hot Lead and Cold Feet” starring Don Knotts.
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3 x 7.5" West Valley Baldwin Westinghouse Electrics
The railroad is almost done.
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3 x 7.5" West Valley Baldwin Westinghouse Electrics
The railroad is almost done.
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Monte Rio, Ca.
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I was just writing as Gra2472 posted that this one looks like it was made up. Note that the fire door faces front while the gauges face toward the beam. Not convenient for an operator. Also there is something about the beam support structure at the bottom where it sits on the deck that doesn't look right. But it would be a hoot to make one, all rough and rusty.
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Re: Is this a logging maintenance loco? I want to build one
I wonder if this "prop" was based on a real prototype? It looks like it could actually be made to run albeit with a few modifications.
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Vertical boiler locomotives were popular and capable industrial locomotives in England and also in the logging industry in the United States from 1840’s onwards to around the 1880’s. The Clishay was an American version of a vertical boiler logging engine. Here is an 18” gauge model of an English Dewinton industrial Loco recently for sale in Washington state. The largest De Winton vertical boiler Loco was upwards of 250 tons. Quite a beast in its day, apparently .
Quite a few clishays have been built in 7 1/2 inch gauge. I’m sure you could find plans somewhere, maybe through this thread or put a request on the buy and sell page. Somebody is sure to reply.
Quite a few clishays have been built in 7 1/2 inch gauge. I’m sure you could find plans somewhere, maybe through this thread or put a request on the buy and sell page. Somebody is sure to reply.
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Re: Is this a logging maintenance loco? I want to build one
Here is a phot of what you may be talking about. Looks like a good start.Benjamin Maggi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:51 pm You might want to look up or search for "Bill Connor Beam Engines". They didn't look exactly like that but might be good starting points.
Re: Is this a logging maintenance loco? I want to build one
Thanks, I'm thinking something in a smaller scale. Still live steam but not a ride on. I'm still new to this aspect of the hobby and am still learning sizes, scales etc.Glenn Brooks wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:30 pm Vertical boiler locomotives were popular and capable industrial locomotives in England and also in the logging industry in the United States from 1840’s onwards to around the 1880’s. The Clishay was an American version of a vertical boiler logging engine. Here is an 18” gauge model of an English Dewinton industrial Loco recently for sale in Washington state. The largest De Winton vertical boiler Loco was upwards of 250 tons. Quite a beast in its day, apparently .
Quite a few clishays have been built in 7 1/2 inch gauge. I’m sure you could find plans somewhere, maybe through this thread or put a request on the buy and sell page. Somebody is sure to reply.
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Yes, the De Winton is definitely on the large size, although I figured it could be re gauged to 15”.
Photo posted by Lou, above, is likely 7 1/2” gauge, and closer to 1.8” hobby size (1/8th the size of an original prototype). If you look into building vertical boilers you’ll find several designs that are much easier and simpler to build than traditional horizontal fire tube boilers used in standard locomotives.
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Photo posted by Lou, above, is likely 7 1/2” gauge, and closer to 1.8” hobby size (1/8th the size of an original prototype). If you look into building vertical boilers you’ll find several designs that are much easier and simpler to build than traditional horizontal fire tube boilers used in standard locomotives.
Glenn
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Re: Is this a logging maintenance loco? I want to build one
I already have one of the PM Research vertical boilers that I think could be adapted quite easily to a project like this. I just need to figure out what scale I would be working with? Distance between the rails etc?Glenn Brooks wrote: ↑Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:50 pm Yes, the De Winton is definitely on the large size, although I figured it could be re gauged to 15”.
Photo posted by Lou, above, is likely 7 1/2” gauge, and closer to 1.8” hobby size (1/8th the size of an original prototype). If you look into building vertical boilers you’ll find several designs that are much easier and simpler to build than traditional horizontal fire tube boilers used in standard locomotives.
Glenn
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Re: Is this a logging maintenance loco? I want to build one
You may well be surprised how much steam you need to run a loco. A 3/4" scale Tom Thumb...3.75" RAIL spacing.. needs a vertical boiler 5" in diameter with 80 flues and 12" tall to support a pair of 1" diameter cylinders ...to pull two people.
PM research makes good products...but I have never seen one of their boilers powering a human pulling loco.
The biggest I have seen from PM is about 3" diameter with about a dozen flues...which would probably fall short on steaming generating capacity to pull people.
There are several tested and proven models available which will fit into your wish list....just be careful and plan wisely.
PM research makes good products...but I have never seen one of their boilers powering a human pulling loco.
The biggest I have seen from PM is about 3" diameter with about a dozen flues...which would probably fall short on steaming generating capacity to pull people.
There are several tested and proven models available which will fit into your wish list....just be careful and plan wisely.
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Re: Is this a logging maintenance loco? I want to build one
Thanks, I'm not planning a ride on. Something smaller but still live steam. Most likely R/C. I need to figure out what scale I'm talking about and find some plans. Picture something along the lines of a PM Research vertical boiler and a Stuart Turner Beam engine. Thanks.Bill Shields wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:51 pm You may well be surprised how much steam you need to run a loco. A 3/4" scale Tom Thumb...3.75" RAIL spacing.. needs a vertical boiler 5" in diameter with 80 flues and 12" tall to support a pair of 1" diameter cylinders ...to pull two people.
PM research makes good products...but I have never seen one of their boilers powering a human pulling loco.
The biggest I have seen from PM is about 3" diameter with about a dozen flues...which would probably fall short on steaming generating capacity to pull people.
There are several tested and proven models available which will fit into your wish list....just be careful and plan wisely.