Baldwin Narrow Gauge 4-4-0

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Baldwin Narrow Gauge 4-4-0

Post by Guest » Wed May 24, 2006 12:49 pm

Greetings All,

I am a newbie to live steam, large scale 7.5 gauge railroading,
& this forum. (Talk about green) LOL
However, I visited my closest club (2 hrs) MSLS in Columbia
for the spring meet which my wife and I were lucky enough to
ride the Crescent Limited. WOW!

Anyways, I have had a fascination with 4-4-0 Amercan Standards
since childhood and recently discovered the Baldwin 3 ft locos
used on the Denver and Rio Grande. I beleive these engines
were built between 1875 and 1879 with the Eureka and Palisade
being the only one remaining.

I am very interested in the building of this type loco.
If anyone can help me with info regarding blueprints, etc.
As I have been looking everywhere and all I can find is prints
for the larger full size engines which are scaled to size.
The most noticable difference on the smaller locos is the
distance between the drivers are further apart.

I am glad I found this forum as I have no close builders to
confer with in my area and look forward to becoming a regular.

All advice is much appreciated!

Rick Barham


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Post by Harold_V » Wed May 24, 2006 1:06 pm

It should be noted that Rick is trying to register in order to become a known regular, but is having difficulties, as is occasionally the case. Marty is working on his particular problem.



Post by 4catmom » Wed May 24, 2006 1:50 pm

Are you specifically interested in the D&RG 4-4-0s, or in other narrow gauge 4-4-0s as well?


Post by Guest » Wed May 24, 2006 2:21 pm


Yes, I am interested in any and all narrow gauge 4-4-0's.
My favorite is the Eureka and Palisade #4.

Rick Barham


Post by Guest » Wed May 24, 2006 3:18 pm

Hi Rick,

Try these: ... 0&MAG=NGSL

More plans than you will ever need for narrow guage 4-4-0's! Of course they are not plans for a live steam engine but should get you started in picking out a fav. Back issues of the 7+ railroader would be another good place to look.

also try this yahoo group: ... =255701240

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Post by pockets » Wed May 24, 2006 3:38 pm

I, too, am building a narrow gauge American. Contact me via e-mail and we can talk.

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Post by Kevin_S » Wed May 24, 2006 5:52 pm

Rick, you might want to check with the California State Railroad Musem, as they have the sister engine to the Eureka and Palisades, the Sonoma. They also have a 5" scale of the engine in one of their warehouses.

-Kevin S.


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Post by Ben_Smith » Wed May 24, 2006 6:03 pm

Don't know what sort of progress has been made on this project, but this link may be usefull for you

It's for a 7.5" model of an 1895 2 foot gauge 4-4-0

Best Regards,
Ben Smith
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Post by highiron999 » Wed May 24, 2006 7:24 pm

Try this site:

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Post by Dick_Morris » Wed May 24, 2006 11:41 pm

A good place to start would be the articles by Gail Gish and Warren Weston describing construction of a pair of Rio Grande T-12 ten wheelers. There is a complete set of drawings. These locos were 1-1/2" scale rather than the 2-1/2" scale needed to built a 3' prototype to 7-1/2" gauge.

With the exception of the boiler, you should be able could scale up the parts, making allowances so you can still use stock matal sizes, and have a locomotive. Leave off a pair of drivers, respace the other two, and shorten the frame a bit and you'll have a an American.

25 parts, Modeltec, May 1985 to Jun 1987. No longer published, but occasionally the back issues come up on Ebay.


Post by Guest » Thu May 25, 2006 10:23 am

I would like to personally thank everyone who has
posted on this topic and for pointing me in the right
direction. Your help is truly appreciated!

Thank You!

Rick B.

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Post by highiron999 » Thu May 25, 2006 3:36 pm

Rick, I have heard from Goerge Potter, who has built the size engine that you are talking about, a 2 1/2" scale American. He made his own plans and some of the needed patterns. Looks like we could use a pattern for the cylinders (split saddle) to be complete. I will hear more and see how many are interested. Looks like there are about six people interested so far. Leonard Evans/highiron999

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