Screeching Sound When Milling
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Screeching Sound When Milling
I'm fairly new to CNC milling, although I have successfully made a number of parts now.
I'm having trouble with loud screeching sounds during certain cuts. So loud I have to cover my ears.
Using a 1/2" 4 flute carbide cutter on 1018 steel. Cutting a 100% groove at .1" deep. 2500 rpm, 25 IPM (got values from CNC Zone's calculator). This happens using Kool Mist or Hangsterfers coolant from a fog buster. The cutter is always cool to the touch. You might say to slow down the IPM. I've done that and it still screeches at very low IPMs.
I think I've ruled out the tool slipping in the holder. It's as tight as I can get it, and I see no evidence of scarring on the tool, etc. It seems the noise is coming from the cutter against the metal.
I'm sure someone out there has dealt with this. Any suggestions?
thanks much, rex
I'm having trouble with loud screeching sounds during certain cuts. So loud I have to cover my ears.
Using a 1/2" 4 flute carbide cutter on 1018 steel. Cutting a 100% groove at .1" deep. 2500 rpm, 25 IPM (got values from CNC Zone's calculator). This happens using Kool Mist or Hangsterfers coolant from a fog buster. The cutter is always cool to the touch. You might say to slow down the IPM. I've done that and it still screeches at very low IPMs.
I think I've ruled out the tool slipping in the holder. It's as tight as I can get it, and I see no evidence of scarring on the tool, etc. It seems the noise is coming from the cutter against the metal.
I'm sure someone out there has dealt with this. Any suggestions?
thanks much, rex
Re: Screeching Sound When Milling
If you are cutting a groove in one pass, you need to use a 2-flute cutter, otherwise the extra pair of flutes is going to pull the cutter sideways.
If you need a really accurate width, a better solution is to use a smaller flute, cut down the middle, then do each side.
Not sure if that will stop the mill from screaming at you.
Steve
If you need a really accurate width, a better solution is to use a smaller flute, cut down the middle, then do each side.
Not sure if that will stop the mill from screaming at you.
Steve
Re: Screeching Sound When Milling
What's you tool stick out?
Try a shorter end mill.
Always use the shortest flute length cuter possible with the minimum of stick out.
Try a shorter end mill.
Always use the shortest flute length cuter possible with the minimum of stick out.
Glenn
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Re: Screeching Sound When Milling
Thanks. I'll try shorter stickout and 2 flutes. The only problem with 2 flutes is that the channel cut is only the first cut in a longer operation where all the rest of the cutting is on one side of the cutter with 50% stepover. As such, the channel cut doesn't need to be accurate either. I can move faster using a 4 flute cutter in the side-cutting part of the operation. May have to consider a tool change after the channel cut; or just stick with the 2 flute and go slower.
Re: Screeching Sound When Milling
The deflection mentioned by Steve occurs whether you use a two or more flute cutter. The difference is, while the tool deflects, there isn't a tooth removing metal from the cut when a two flute is employed. You can achieve the same results with a three flute cutter, although I'm not making that recommendation.
High spindle speed operation tends to create noises that may not be present at lower speeds. If your end mill isn't being harmed (edge failure), choke up on the cutter as Glenn recommended, and wear ear protection. You may have to settle for the noise. Goes with the territory.
In this case, I'd not go to fewer teeth, as that will simply prolong the machining time by the required decrease of feed rate. I might have a different attitude were you not widening the cut.
Harold
High spindle speed operation tends to create noises that may not be present at lower speeds. If your end mill isn't being harmed (edge failure), choke up on the cutter as Glenn recommended, and wear ear protection. You may have to settle for the noise. Goes with the territory.
In this case, I'd not go to fewer teeth, as that will simply prolong the machining time by the required decrease of feed rate. I might have a different attitude were you not widening the cut.
Harold
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Re: Screeching Sound When Milling
What machine are you using? How rigid is your set up? I would say either cut your depth of cut in half or increase your feed rate.rexcsmith wrote:I'm fairly new to CNC milling, although I have successfully made a number of parts now.
I'm having trouble with loud screeching sounds during certain cuts. So loud I have to cover my ears.
Using a 1/2" 4 flute carbide cutter on 1018 steel. Cutting a 100% groove at .1" deep. 2500 rpm, 25 IPM (got values from CNC Zone's calculator). This happens using Kool Mist or Hangsterfers coolant from a fog buster. The cutter is always cool to the touch. You might say to slow down the IPM. I've done that and it still screeches at very low IPMs.
I think I've ruled out the tool slipping in the holder. It's as tight as I can get it, and I see no evidence of scarring on the tool, etc. It seems the noise is coming from the cutter against the metal.
I'm sure someone out there has dealt with this. Any suggestions?
thanks much, rex
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Re: Screeching Sound When Milling
Think of your baby crying for more food !
The scream is most likely a lack of "feed" in your setup.
Increasing feed will reduce the noise.
Now if the spindle slows dramatically with the increased feed, your spindle speed is too fast ( Most newbies run far too fast RPM's )
as your load is greater than the available Horse Power
Rich
The scream is most likely a lack of "feed" in your setup.
Increasing feed will reduce the noise.
Now if the spindle slows dramatically with the increased feed, your spindle speed is too fast ( Most newbies run far too fast RPM's )
as your load is greater than the available Horse Power
Rich
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Re: Screeching Sound When Milling
If you have inadequate rigidity, which is one cause of this, keep an eye out for the cutter deviating from the required pathRich_Carlstedt wrote:Think of your baby crying for more food !
The scream is most likely a lack of "feed" in your setup.
Increasing feed will reduce the noise.
Now if the spindle slows dramatically with the increased feed, your spindle speed is too fast ( Most newbies run far too fast RPM's )
as your load is greater than the available Horse Power
Rich
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Re: Screeching Sound When Milling
the 'screeching' is a more a function of the engaged angle of contact of the tool with the work than the tools, flutes or length.
All of these variables (as described above) can help reduce the problem but will not eliminate it.
I am going to be very blatant here and show you something from the company I work for.
You will notice that any place where the 'arc of contact' gets to 90 degrees or larger, the tool goes in and 'nibbles' at it. The exact algorithms of how this calculate are more than a little proprietary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFnvISSLtKg
There are similar methods from other companies.
Fanuc (control manufacturer) calls it Trochoidal machining.
The idea is to keep the engaged arc contact angle of the tool as small as possible and NEVER let it get to 180 degrees and in most cases, keep it below 90 degrees.
All of these variables (as described above) can help reduce the problem but will not eliminate it.
I am going to be very blatant here and show you something from the company I work for.
You will notice that any place where the 'arc of contact' gets to 90 degrees or larger, the tool goes in and 'nibbles' at it. The exact algorithms of how this calculate are more than a little proprietary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFnvISSLtKg
There are similar methods from other companies.
Fanuc (control manufacturer) calls it Trochoidal machining.
The idea is to keep the engaged arc contact angle of the tool as small as possible and NEVER let it get to 180 degrees and in most cases, keep it below 90 degrees.
Too many things going on to bother listing them.