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Union Pacific Has Applied For PTC Waviers For Its Steam Engines

Postby SOO2719 » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:21 pm

Article is not behind paywall (nice of them):

http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2018/12/13-big-boy-4014-gets-drivers-up-asks-for-ptc-waivers-for-three-steam-locomotives

If Union Pacific is doing this, why can't organizations like the Friends of the 261?
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Re: Union Pacific Has Applied For PTC Waviers For Its Steam Engines

Postby Mark D » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:34 am

When I saw this title I also wondered the same thing. Since nothing exists to work in a steam locomotive for PTC it's either waver or go out of business. I'm going to do some research and see if someone else has already done that and we don't know about it... yet.
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Re: Union Pacific Has Applied For PTC Waviers For Its Steam Engines

Postby SOO2719 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:38 pm

Federal Railroad Administration says Union Pacific does not need waivers yet:

http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2019/02/28-fra-says-up-doesnt-need-wavier-to-run-steam-11000-miles-in-2019
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Re: Union Pacific Has Applied For PTC Waviers For Its Steam Engines

Postby Mark D » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:40 am

I wonder if that could apply to other steam operations on main lines?
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Re: Union Pacific Has Applied For PTC Waviers For Its Steam Engines

Postby SOO2719 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:25 pm

Unfortunately, Mark, I think this can only apply to Union Pacific, since they own not only their steam engines but also the lines they operate on. Outside groups like the Friends of the 261, while they own their engines, do not own the lines they operate on. Does that make sense?
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Re: Union Pacific Has Applied For PTC Waviers For Its Steam Engines

Postby Mark D » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:44 am

It does make sense and I was thinking that as I composed my thoughts above. But just because you own your own ROW shouldn't make any difference (in my opinion) because just because you own your own tracks doesn't mean that you can't have a nasty wreck that PTC could have caught.
Just my opinion of course, and that's worth about three cents or less.
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Re: Union Pacific Has Applied For PTC Waviers For Its Steam Engines

Postby Mark D » Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:17 pm

I found out tonight that the reason U.P. can run without PTC is because the FRA has stretched the must have or don't run day into 2020. That means all can run. However, since BNSF has fully implemented PTC they probably won't let steam operate on their rails until they have working PTC on said steam engine.
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Re: Union Pacific Has Applied For PTC Waviers For Its Steam Engines

Postby Mark D » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:32 pm

Actually the delays on PTC is very similar to what the state of Minnesota has going on.
For some reason the DMV decided they could make a better software package for the various tasks they do. They wanted to combine everything into one neat little package.
Well, they have a package, but three years later it still doesn't work. People are buying and selling cars but can't change titles. You go to the local DMV to get your latest stickers for your license, or to get new plates. It goes on and on.

Meanwhile, I find myself wondering why they don't just use the same software that some other state already has and works well.
Yes, it's not railroad, but it's basically in the same sort of problems as PTC. I believe PTC is way ahead of the Minnesota motor vehicles software. And yet I'd bet that the Minnesota stuff isn't even close to what PTC is as far as complexity.

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